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[03Lightningrocks]

Holy Cow!!! I just stumbled on this information by accident. I know a few people holding a Utah non-resident only who will be affected at renewal time. My daughter is one of them. Money was the motivator for the folks I know in this scenario, not criminal activity. I was worried this would happen. I have seen the same clown Charles spoke of at gun shows. Many others were playing the same game. I was wanting my daughter to get the Texas but she just could not afford it. She has a few years to get her Texas before renewal is due. Is there going to be any confusion from Texas law enforcement on this issue? By confusion I am talking about the possibility of some departments thing this means Utah without Texas is invalid as of now?

[Keith B]

Holy Cow!!! I just stumbled on this information by accident. I know a few people holding a Utah non-resident only who will be affected at renewal time. My daughter is one of them. Money was the motivator for the folks I know in this scenario, not criminal activity. I was worried this would happen. I have seen the same clown Charles spoke of at gun shows. Many others were playing the same game. I was wanting my daughter to get the Texas but she just could not afford it. She has a few years to get her Texas before renewal is due. Is there going to be any confusion from Texas law enforcement on this issue? By confusion I am talking about the possibility of some departments thing this means Utah without Texas is invalid as of now?

As long as Texas still honors Utah as a reciprocal state and the license is valid, I doubt they would know about the Utah legislation.

Now, if the bill filed by Rep. Lon Burnham would pass prohibiting Texas residents from carrying in Texas on an out of state license, then I might think an officer would possibly know that it was not valid.

[03Lightningrocks]

I can't believe this all happened and I am just now finding out. She is not going to like hearing this! The 300 bucks it takes to get Texas is a lot of money for her. Hopefully the Burnham bill fails! It gives her a few years to save up. I get so mad when a few bad actors cause trouble for everyone. I would like to go back and punch that guy at the gun show square in his jaw.

Thanks Keith... I will watch this thread for further updates, now that I know about it.

[cbr600]

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[ScottDLS]

Holy Cow!!! I just stumbled on this information by accident. I know a few people holding a Utah non-resident only who will be affected at renewal time. My daughter is one of them. Money was the motivator for the folks I know in this scenario, not criminal activity. I was worried this would happen. I have seen the same clown Charles spoke of at gun shows. Many others were playing the same game. I was wanting my daughter to get the Texas but she just could not afford it. She has a few years to get her Texas before renewal is due. Is there going to be any confusion from Texas law enforcement on this issue? By confusion I am talking about the possibility of some departments thing this means Utah without Texas is invalid as of now?

Why does everybody think this Utah law is so great? Recognition of non-res licenses for Texas residents may not have been the direct intent of the Legislature, but it IS the law in Texas. I got my Texas license in 1996. Once...in 2002 I took the class renewal closer to my expiration and Texas didn't follow the LAW as to 60 day issuance, so I lapsed for about 20 days. I had a Florida CWP at the time and carried on that. Florida is more expensive than Texas and has criteria that are similar for issuance. I strongly support getting a license from your home state, but I believe in the widest reciprocity/recognition possible...even for non-res permits by Texas residents.

TX Rep. Burnam is going to propose all sorts of idiotic bills...they'll go about as far as his TX state income tax bill. I don't like the "in your face" get it cheaper ads by the Utah instructors, but maybe Texas needs to look at why it's $140 for an initial license. There are some good reasons to recognize out of state licenses for residents... Once you move here, it could take close to 100 days to get a CHL even if you go right after it. What if you move here from Illinois and have a (non-res) FL CWP. Should it be instantly invalid when you get your TXDL? I have 5 licenses recognized by Texas in addition to my TX CHL. Should I lose my right to carry when Texas takes longer than the statutory limit to renew my CHL?

[03Lightningrocks]

Holy Cow!!! I just stumbled on this information by accident. I know a few people holding a Utah non-resident only who will be affected at renewal time. My daughter is one of them. Money was the motivator for the folks I know in this scenario, not criminal activity. I was worried this would happen. I have seen the same clown Charles spoke of at gun shows. Many others were playing the same game. I was wanting my daughter to get the Texas but she just could not afford it. She has a few years to get her Texas before renewal is due. Is there going to be any confusion from Texas law enforcement on this issue? By confusion I am talking about the possibility of some departments thing this means Utah without Texas is invalid as of now?

Why does everybody think this Utah law is so great? Recognition of non-res licenses for Texas residents may not have been the direct intent of the Legislature, but it IS the law in Texas. I got my Texas license in 1996. Once...in 2002 I took the class renewal closer to my expiration and Texas didn't follow the LAW as to 60 day issuance, so I lapsed for about 20 days. I had a Florida CWP at the time and carried on that. Florida is more expensive than Texas and has criteria that are similar for issuance. I strongly support getting a license from your home state, but I believe in the widest reciprocity/recognition possible...even for non-res permits by Texas residents.

TX Rep. Burnam is going to propose all sorts of idiotic bills...they'll go about as far as his TX state income tax bill. I don't like the "in your face" get it cheaper ads by the Utah instructors, but maybe Texas needs to look at why it's $140 for an initial license. There are some good reasons to recognize out of state licenses for residents... Once you move here, it could take close to 100 days to get a CHL even if you go right after it. What if you move here from Illinois and have a (non-res) FL CWP. Should it be instantly invalid when you get your TXDL? I have 5 licenses recognized by Texas in addition to my TX CHL. Should I lose my right to carry when Texas takes longer than the statutory limit to renew my CHL?

Not just 140 for the license... add in 120 + for the classes... ammo for the shooting... +20 and it may be more now that the finger print issue is complicating things. But 280 dollars is a lot of money for a working person!!! Multiply by two for married folks... 560 dollars!!!! That can knock a chunk out of the old budget. For those that say dumb things about priorities, I say, the water mortgage and electric has to be paid. Food for the kids HAS to be bought. This crazy high price is the reason OC folks refer to CHLers as elitist. We have basicly paid for our right to carry. Regardless, the price is absurd! The Utah gave folks who were scraping by financially an alternative.

[Burn]

Why does everybody think this Utah law is so great? Recognition of non-res licenses for Texas residents may not have been the direct intent of the Legislature, but it IS the law in Texas.

You're right. It is the law and that's why we need to fix the law.

Many requirements were put in place that limit eligibility for a Texas CHL. Even the most extreme gun owner has to admit the Texas Legislature put those requirements in place intentionally. They were no accident. I don't think I would be going out on a limb if I said the reason the Texas Legislature created those elibibility requirements is they didn't want to allow Texans to carry guns unless they are eligible, i.e. they satisfy all the requirements for a Texas CHL.

HB 356 was introduced this session to clarity legislative intent, and ensure Texas residents are properly trained and can pass the criminal background check, before they're allowed to carry guns in churches, shopping malls, parks where children are playing, and other public places. It's a common sense law that closes an unintended loophole, and it deserves support from gun owners and concerned citizens alike.

[WildBill]

Why does everybody think this Utah law is so great? Recognition of non-res licenses for Texas residents may not have been the direct intent of the Legislature, but it IS the law in Texas.

HB 356 was introduced this session to clarity legislative intent, and ensure Texas residents are properly trained and can pass the criminal background check, before they're allowed to carry guns in churches, shopping malls, parks where children are playing, and other public places. It's a common sense law that closes an unintended loophole, and it deserves support from gun owners and concerned citizens alike.

It does not clarify anything. The legislatures knew very well the intent of the law that they passed.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Why does everybody think this Utah law is so great? Recognition of non-res licenses for Texas residents may not have been the direct intent of the Legislature, but it IS the law in Texas.

You're right. It is the law and that's why we need to fix the law.

Many requirements were put in place that limit eligibility for a Texas CHL. Even the most extreme gun owner has to admit the Texas Legislature put those requirements in place intentionally. They were no accident. I don't think I would be going out on a limb if I said the reason the Texas Legislature created those elibibility requirements is they didn't want to allow Texans to carry guns unless they are eligible, i.e. they satisfy all the requirements for a Texas CHL.

HB 356 was introduced this session to clarity legislative intent, and ensure Texas residents are properly trained and can pass the criminal background check, before they're allowed to carry guns in churches, shopping malls, parks where children are playing, and other public places. It's a common sense law that closes an unintended loophole, and it deserves support from gun owners and concerned citizens alike.

Are you a Texas CHL Instructor? Are you a member of TACCI? Throwing around long-used Brady Campaign slogans isn't going to garner you much support here.

Chas.

[Burn]

Why does everybody think this Utah law is so great? Recognition of non-res licenses for Texas residents may not have been the direct intent of the Legislature, but it IS the law in Texas.

HB 356 was introduced this session to clarity legislative intent, and ensure Texas residents are properly trained and can pass the criminal background check, before they're allowed to carry guns in churches, shopping malls, parks where children are playing, and other public places. It's a common sense law that closes an unintended loophole, and it deserves support from gun owners and concerned citizens alike.

It does not clarify anything. The legislatures knew very well the intent of the law that they passed.

If they intended the loophole then there's nothing to worry about.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Why does everybody think this Utah law is so great? Recognition of non-res licenses for Texas residents may not have been the direct intent of the Legislature, but it IS the law in Texas.

HB 356 was introduced this session to clarity legislative intent, and ensure Texas residents are properly trained and can pass the criminal background check, before they're allowed to carry guns in churches, shopping malls, parks where children are playing, and other public places. It's a common sense law that closes an unintended loophole, and it deserves support from gun owners and concerned citizens alike.

It does not clarify anything. The legislatures knew very well the intent of the law that they passed.

If they intended the loophole then there's nothing to worry about.

Oh there's nothing to worry about because F-rated Burnam's HB356 isn't going to pass.

Now answer my questions.

Chas.

[Burn]

I welcome debate on the issues. I will not respond to ad hominem.

[WildBill]

I welcome debate on the issues. I will not respond to ad hominem.

Bye Burn -

[cbr600]

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[03Lightningrocks]

I welcome debate on the issues. I will not respond to ad hominem.

Bye Burn -

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Quite frankly, I got the impression that poster was trying to get booted. Maybe going for cool points on the OC forum.