Question about North Dakota class 2 license

[reality99]

I was looking at other states that issue concealed handgun licenses and North Dakota is one of them. It appears that Texas has reciprocity with North Dakota, but ND has 2 classes of licenses. If there is reciprocity, does that mean both classes are honored here in Texas? From what I found, there is nothing specific about both classes having reciprocity, but it doesn't exclude one either. I am wondering because I am only 19 years old but would like to have the right to carry. ND is the only state (that I could find) that issues a license to out of state residents, and issues a license to persons under 21 (but over 18).

Everything I found makes it look like I could get a ND license, then legally carry in Texas but I was hoping someone with more knowledge could clarify anything I missed. Perry signed reciprocity with ND in 2004 and I believe ND went to 2 classes in 2009 so if there are no amendments to the reciprocity bill, then would both class 1 and class 2 be valid here in Texas?

[tomc]

Go to Handgunlaw.us. It offers more information regarding the different classes of ND licenses. Once you pull up ND laws, go to the links on the right side of the page. It shows that different states recognize the classes differently. It appears that TX will recognize the simpler class 2 license.

[Keith B]

The only issue I can see is you will probably have to go to ND to take the test since it has to be administered by a BCI certified person.

[reality99]

I wouldn't have a problem going to ND if it meant I could get the license a year early. I had started a thread in a different section about taking te Texas class before I was 21 so I could submit
my application as soon as I turned 21 and an alternate states license was suggested:viewtopic.php?f=7&t=41207. I asked this question there and someone posted the state attorney generals website where it seems to carry in Texas, you may follow the same rules as described by the Texas CHL, ie 21 in this case so it would defeat the purpose. There seems to be no way around this, is this correct?

[Keith B]

In reading the OAG's site, I believe to be valid under 21 you would have to meet the Texas requirement of military service. Without it, I believe you would not be legal. You can follow that link and call the DPS office and get their answer, but will bet that requirement must be met.

[The Annoyed Man]

I'm not any kind of lawyer, but my guess is that if the issue ever came to light, Texas would disallow a CCW permit from out of state issued to someone under the age of 21, unless that person met all of the requirements under which Texas will issue a CHL to someone under 21.

[reality99]

The more I think about it the more confused I get. Texas will honor these other licenses if and only if the terms and conditions to get the license are equivalent to a Texas CHL, at least this is how I am reading the Attorney General's website. If this is the case, how can anyone with convictions in Texas (that would normally make them ineligible for a Texas CHL), get an out of state handgun license and legally carry in Texas? Same with the training requirements-many states that issue licenses that Texas supposedly honors don't have the same minimum classroom time or handgun proficiency tests as the Texas CHL, but these licenses are valid in Texas? I will compose a letter to send to DPS tomorrow asking about these apparent inconsistencies or if I am overlooking something. Does this make sense to anyone??

[cbr600]

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[reality99]

I'm not any kind of lawyer, but my guess is that if the issue ever came to light, Texas would disallow a CCW permit from out of state issued to someone under the age of 21, unless that person met all of the requirements under which Texas will issue a CHL to someone under 21.

If so, they could disallow a CCW permit from out of state issued to someone with a deferred adjudication within the Texas prohibited timeframe, as well as any Texas resident delinquent in any payments to the state of Texas, including child support and property taxes.

That was my thought after looking at it a bit further. There are some inconsistencies/discrepancies between what the OAG says and the Texas Concealed Handgun Laws. The Texas concealed handgun laws state that to be eligible for a license, you must be 21, along with the normal provisions, but it does not specify if that is to receive a Texas CHL or for any CCL/CHL you have to be valid in Texas.

[gigag04]

Pretty sure it won't fly but can't hurt to ask.

[Big Tuna]

You might want to read the reciprocity agreement. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administra ... krecip.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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State of North Dakota as long as North Dakota permitees comply with all laws, rules, and
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[reality99]

But is the "age restriction" a law or part of the requirements for a Texas CHL?

[cbr600]

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[reality99]

I sent an email to the DPS earlier today and will post their response when I hear back.

I don't want to get my CHL just to say I have it and can carry a gun, I want to be able to protect myself if, god forbid, the need ever arises. I've been shooting since I was 6 years old and am also more aware of my surroundings than most people. I don't plan on getting sloppy with the "concealed is concealed" but I don't want to be a test case either-I don't have the money for a lawyer and I don't know what the consequences are if the ruling is against me. Carrying a firearm 1 year early isn't worth it if the consequences of getting caught are not being able to carry for the next 5 years. All it would take is me to disclose to an officer during a routine traffic stop that I am carrying, then he sees that I am 20 years old and his interpretation of the law and mine may differ.