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I'm gettin' worried..........

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:01 am
by AEA
Watched the Debate last night and I gotta say, I was not impressed with McCain.......

Don't get me wrong, NoBama is not even in my vocabulary. I was just not impressed with the way McCain answered a lot of the questions. Not what he said, but how he said it. Seemed to stumble quite a lot in his presentation....... Additionally, had to use a note pad to keep up and remember the questions!

I am very afraid that we are looking at a NoBama win. This is not good.......

Regardless of who wins, can you imagine a Biden or Palen as President if necessary? I am afraid,......REALLY afraid...... :???:

Re: I'm gettin' worried..........

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:54 am
by jimlongley
AEA wrote:Additionally, had to use a note pad to keep up and remember the questions!
Just remember that McCain has problems using a teleprompter, so he uses a note pad, while Bambam has a team backstage typing his notes into one so he can go HUD all the way.

Comfortable with Palin (not Palen) as President? Why not? An obscure administrator, outdoors person, with a young family, little known outside the state that the person served as Governor of, suddenly becomes President of the US? Whoops, we're talking about Teddy Roosevelt here.

Re: I'm gettin' worried..........

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:06 am
by The Annoyed Man
jimlongley wrote:Comfortable with Palin (not Palen) as President? Why not? An obscure administrator, outdoors person, with a young family, little known outside the state that the person served as Governor of, suddenly becomes President of the US? Whoops, we're talking about Teddy Roosevelt here.
BINGO!!

That being said, I agree that McCain lost the debate. I don't think he lost on substance. I think he lost on charisma. Charisma shouldn't matter in an executive because a charismatic executive can convince a lot of people to head down a wrong path. Obama, love him or hate him, is very charismatic. The biggest danger in him is not just that his dead wrong on just about every issue, but that he is so charismatic that he can convince people that he knows what he's talking about. I am convinced that people don't really understand what he's saying (because they are often intellectually lazy), but that his voice and mannerism projects such conceeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrn and syyyyyyyyyyympathy and clear-eyed hooooooooooooooonesty that his listeners are seduced into believing that he knows what he's talking about. And they don't have to understand it. They only have to believe that HE understands it all, so they will trust him to do their thinking for them.

He's like the Anti-Christ.

Re: I'm gettin' worried..........

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:08 am
by AEA
Thanks for the correction on the spelling of Palin.

I'm just worried that she has no experience with Foreign Policy and how to continue the fight against Terrorists. Other than that, I think she's cute and I am glad she likes guns!

And should Biden get the "Big Job"....... oh no! :eek6

Re: I'm gettin' worried..........

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:08 am
by HighVelocity
That was the lamest debate... Just a waste of airtime. :roll:

Re: I'm gettin' worried..........

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:12 am
by Russell Bear
Either way, were in trouble!

Re: I'm gettin' worried..........

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:13 am
by AEA
Also.......

Why can't we get a direct question to NoBama about guns and also get a direct answer from him? (without him going into his scripted "Reasonable Restrictions" garbage again).
We don't need to ask Biden......... :smilelol5:

Edit: Just found this on another Site:
As featured at PajamasMedia.com:

October 6, 2008 - by David T. Hardy

As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama must demonstrate executive experience, but he remains strangely silent about his eight years (1994-2002) as a director of the Joyce Foundation, a billion dollar tax-exempt organization. He has one obvious reason: during his time as director, Joyce Foundation spent millions creating and supporting anti-gun organizations.

There is another, less known, reason.

During Obama’s tenure, the Joyce Foundation board planned and implemented a program targeting the Supreme Court. The work began five years into Obama’s directorship, when the Foundation had experience in turning its millions into anti-gun “grassroots” organizations, but none at converting cash into legal scholarship.

The plan’s objective was bold: the judicial obliteration of the Second Amendment.

Joyce’s directors found a vulnerable point. When judges cannot rely upon past decisions, they sometimes turn to law review articles. Law reviews are impartial, and famed for meticulous cite-checking. They are also produced on a shoestring. Authors of articles receive no compensation; editors are law students who work for a tiny stipend.

In 1999, midway through Obama’s tenure, the Joyce board voted to grant the Chicago-Kent Law Review $84,000, a staggering sum by law review standards. The Review promptly published an issue in which all articles attacked the individual right view of the Second Amendment.

In a breach of law review custom, Chicago-Kent let an “outsider” serve as editor; he was Carl Bogus, a faculty member of a different law school. Bogus had a unique distinction: he had been a director of Handgun Control Inc. (today’s Brady Campaign), and was on the advisory board of the Joyce-funded Violence Policy Center.

Bogus solicited only articles hostile to the individual right view of the Second Amendment, offering authors $5,000 each. But word leaked out, and Prof. Randy Barnett of Boston University volunteered to write in defense of the individual right to arms. Bogus refused to allow him to write for the review, later explaining that “sometimes a more balanced debate is best served by an unbalanced symposium.” Prof. James Lindgren, a former Chicago-Kent faculty member, remembers that when Barnett sought an explanation he “was given conflicting reasons, but the opposition of the Joyce Foundation was one that surfaced at some time.” Joyce had bought a veto power over the review’s content.

Joyce Foundation apparently believed it held this power over the entire university. Glenn Reynolds later recalled that when he and two other professors were scheduled to discuss the Second Amendment on campus, Joyce’s staffers “objected strenuously” to their being allowed to speak, protesting that Joyce Foundation was being cheated by an “‘agenda of balance’ that was inconsistent with the Symposium’s purpose.” Joyce next bought up an issue of Fordham Law Review.

The plan worked smoothly. One court, in the course of ruling that there was no individual right to arms, cited the Chicago-Kent articles eight times. Then, in 2001, a federal Court of Appeals in Texas determined that the Second Amendment was an individual right.

The Joyce Foundation board (which still included Obama) responded by expanding its attack on the Second Amendment. Its next move came when Ohio State University announced it was establishing the “Second Amendment Research Center” as a thinktank headed by anti-individual-right historian Saul Cornell. Joyce put up no less than $400,000 to bankroll its creation. The grant was awarded at the board’s December 2002 meeting, Obama’s last function as a Joyce director. In reporting the grant, the OSU magazine Making History made clear that the purpose was to influence a future Supreme Court case:

“The effort is timely: a series of test cases - based on a new wave of scholarship, a recent decision by a federal Court of Appeals in Texas, and a revised Justice Department policy-are working their way through the courts. The litigants challenge the courts’ traditional reading of the Second Amendment as a protection of the states’ right to organize militia, asserting that the Amendment confers a much broader right for individuals to own guns. The United States Supreme Court is likely to resolve the debate within the next three to five years.”

(45:17-18; online link; slow).

The Center proceeded to generate articles denying the individual right to arms. The OSU connection also gave Joyce an academic money laundry. When it decided to buy an issue of the Stanford Law and Policy Review, it had a cover. Joyce handed OSU $125,000 for that purpose; all the law review editors knew was that OSU’s Foundation granted them that breathtaking sum, and a helpful Prof. Cornell volunteered to organize the issue. (The review was later sufficiently embarassed to publish an open letter on the affair).

The Joyce directorate’s plan almost succeeded. The individual rights view won out in the Heller Supreme Court appeal, but only by 5-4. The four dissenters were persuaded in part by Joyce-funded writings, down to relying on an article which misled them on critical historical documents.

Having lost that fight, Obama now claims he always held the individual rights view of the Second Amendment, and that he “respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms.” But as a Joyce director, Obama was involved in a wealthy foundation’s attempt to manipulate the Supreme Court, buy legal scholarship, and obliterate the individual right to arms.

Voters who value the Constitution should ask whether someone who was party to that plan should be nominating future Supreme Court justices.

Source with multiple inline link citations; Pajamas Media » Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment

Re: I'm gettin' worried..........

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:00 am
by jimlongley
AEA wrote:Thanks for the correction on the spelling of Palin.

I'm just worried that she has no experience with Foreign Policy and how to continue the fight against Terrorists. Other than that, I think she's cute and I am glad she likes guns!

And should Biden get the "Big Job"....... oh no! :eek6
Just remember what Roosevelt's experience with foreign policy was at the time, and what it became, and the legacy he left.

Re: I'm gettin' worried..........

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:29 am
by Charles L. Cotton
I'm worried too, very worried!

If Obama does win, we had better see NRA membership jump to 7 or 8 million quickly, because we're in for battles that make pre-1994 Clinton days look like a practice run. The Brady Campaign, Humane Society of the U.S., and lesser known but well-financed, powerful anti-gun organizations are elated at the prospects of having Obama and Biden in office. Have a look at the Brady Campaign website at http://www.BradyCampaign.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; For the first time in years, we are seeing Brady/Million Mom operatives in Texas actually happy to see the Texas Legislative Session just around the corner.

Remember, Obama will likely have the opportunity to name a successor to at least one Supreme Court Justice. The names most frequently mentioned are Justices Stevens and Ginsburg. If they are replaced by equally or more liberal, anti-gun justices, then the vote count remains the same, but they will be on the court for decades. Remember that Justice Scalia who wrote the majority opinion in Heller is 72 years old and Justice Kennedy, the swing/winning vote in Heller is also 72 years old. While 72 isn't old, it also isn't young and these justices won't be on the Supreme Court for decades more. It is quite possible that either of these men could leave the court by age 76, within Obama's term in office.

Heller was won by only one vote and the loss of either Scalia or Kennedy during an Obama Presidency could have disastrous consequences for the Second Amendment. If an anti-gun justice was confirmed to the Court, I believe the least we could expect to see is the Court refusing to apply the Second Amendment to the states (i.e. no "incorporation"). I also believe the Court would not hesitate ignore stare decisis and reverse Heller simply claiming it was wrongly decided. If we lose Heller, the Second Amendment would not provide an individual right and the way would be paved for draconian state and federal gun control laws. Further, we would once again face the specter of a UN "small arms" treaty that could prohibit the private possession of firearms by American Citizens, even if we are successful in blocking anti-gun legislation. Remember, only the Senate must ratify UN treaties signed by the President and the Democrats are expected to increase their margins in both the House and Senate. (A Supreme Court ruling of an individual right is crucial to preventing this treaty application to citizens.)

This isn't a scare tactic folks, this threat is very very real. For years we've seen Brady and the other anti-gunners shift the battle to the states, because they couldn't get anything passed at the federal level. The "chatter," as our intelligence people like to say, clearly indicates that Washington is once again going to be the battleground. We had better bolster the NRA with more members and more money -- the barbarians truly are at the gate.

You bet I'm worried; I'm very worried.

Chas.

Re: I'm gettin' worried..........

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:17 pm
by Ace_Inthe_O
Do you think Texas would ever just ignore federal law regarding the 2nd in the way Kalifornia does with medicinal marijuana? Just a thought....

Re: I'm gettin' worried..........

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:31 pm
by sivart-dod
I dont see any posts about this so far, did anyone hear about this?

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07 ... stigation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: I'm gettin' worried..........

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:19 pm
by bdickens
What? Democrats? Voter fraud? No, it can't be! I refuse to believe it!






















That's called "sarcasm", by the way.

Re: I'm gettin' worried..........

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:24 pm
by Ace_Inthe_O
Its amazing this isn't getting more press....

Re: I'm gettin' worried..........

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:00 pm
by nitrogen
jimlongley wrote:Comfortable with Palin (not Palen) as President? Why not? An obscure administrator, outdoors person, with a young family, little known outside the state that the person served as Governor of, suddenly becomes President of the US? Whoops, we're talking about Teddy Roosevelt here.
She's without an original thought in her head. She can only parrot prepared talking points, and poorly at that.

And comparing her to Roosevelt? Come on.
Roosevelt was a real outdoorsman, of the type you don't see anymore. He was a historian, writing one of the better books on the war of 1812. He served in the millitary. He was nominated for the medal of honor (which he didn't get for political reasons.)

Sarah Palin doesn't even come CLOSE to Roosevelt.