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The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:38 pm
by philip964
The First Amendment Reads:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
The Second protects the First is the saying. Today it has never been more under attack.
Re: The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:42 pm
by philip964
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/nyre ... lasio.html
The Mayor of New York City broke up the funeral of a Rabbi and lashes out over Virus Distancing.
After overseeing the dispersal of hundreds of Hasidic mourners in Brooklyn, Mayor Bill de Blasio called the gathering "absolutely unacceptable".
"The authorities have dispersed several well-attended religious gatherings since restrictions on such events were enacted in the face of the outbreak. The events that were broken up included weddings and funerals in New York neighborhoods with large Jewish populations."
I guess this is what happens when you give up your second amendment.
Re: The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:46 pm
by philip964
And it is only is worse in light of how DeBlasio treats Christians and Jews in comparison to people of other faiths.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/de-blasio ... ms-ramadan
A half a million meals with be given free to Muslims during Ramadan.
The founding fathers are weeping at the moment.
Re: The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:49 pm
by Grayling813
In Austin this past weekend. Observed empty Christian church parking lots. Also observed long line of cars awaiting entrance to a mosque.
Re: The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:52 pm
by jason812
Coryell County Judge Miller declares weddings and funerals are not religious events and therefore subject to the no more than 10 people in attendance order. I would argue that they may or may not be religious events. Every funeral I have ever been to has had someone reading from a Bible and leading prayers. To me, that is a religious event. Just because you can have the JP officiate a wedding, does not make all weddings non religious. In my common, unable to speak legalese mind, this banning of weddings and funerals is unconstitutional.
Too bad I don't think any legal action will be taken against these traitors of the Constitution.
Re: The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:17 pm
by Chaparral
If you are making a point about governments telling businesses when they can and cannot open, that ship sailed with Sunday Blue Laws. Quarantine powers, in the interest of public health, are as old as the nation.
Re: The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:06 pm
by oljames3
jason812 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:52 pm
Coryell County Judge Miller declares weddings and funerals are not religious events and therefore subject to the no more than 10 people in attendance order. I would argue that they may or may not be religious events. Every funeral I have ever been to has had someone reading from a Bible and leading prayers. To me, that is a religious event. Just because you can have the JP officiate a wedding, does not make all weddings non religious. In my common, unable to speak legalese mind, this banning of weddings and funerals is unconstitutional.
Too bad I don't think any legal action will be taken against these traitors of the Constitution.
Obviously, County Judge Miller has never been to a Southern Baptist wedding or funeral!
Re: The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:07 am
by carlson1
The law enforcement here (including Dallas County Constables and Dallas County Deputies) have been zero problems to our Baptist Church since this has been going on. I have a great relationship with the LE community, but I really did expect a phone call or something as much as our County Judge has stomped on the 1st Amendment (vocally). We have dialed back a lot of activities, but not church.
Re: The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:56 am
by abom2
Many years ago I came home on "Leave" for just a few days. Time was of the essence. I had very little luck for the previous few months locating a church that would wed my fiance and myself. Letters and phone calls received negative replies. It seems folks did not want to perform the ceremony due to our differing faiths.
I figured we would end up going to the JP and get the license. My mother stated "You are not married unless the ceremony is performed before the eyes of God, by a man of faith." I listened to my mother and as the last act of hope, called the church I was raised in. The Pastor there performed the ceremony only after meeting with my fiance and myself first.
In reality the Marriage License is on a Writ of Proof (Tax Stamp) that a couple has paid the Marriage Tax. A marriage performed in a church is recorded in the book and in some cases, a certificate commemorating the event is issued.
Mom was right of course.
Re: The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:33 am
by chasfm11
abom2 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:56 am
Many years ago I came home on "Leave" for just a few days. Time was of the essence. I had very little luck for the previous few months locating a church that would wed my fiance and myself. Letters and phone calls received negative replies. It seems folks did not want to perform the ceremony due to our differing faiths.
I figured we would end up going to the JP and get the license. My mother stated "You are not married unless the ceremony is performed before the eyes of God, by a man of faith." I listened to my mother and as the last act of hope, called the church I was raised in. The Pastor there performed the ceremony only after meeting with my fiance and myself first.
In reality the Marriage License is on a Writ of Proof (Tax Stamp) that a couple has paid the Marriage Tax. A marriage performed in a church is recorded in the book and in some cases, a certificate commemorating the event is issued.
Mom was right of course.
There is ample evidence to support your mother's view but also a history of governments not just the U.S. in turning the event of marriage into a civil matter. Some of those reasons according to this account, were steeped in racism. The State's role in marriage became even more important when the State took over the business of dissolving them. The vow "till death do us part" was cast aside in favor of the courts making all decisions. By now, the link between the church and marriage has been so badly trampled by the State that I cannot imagine it ever being used in support of the 1st Amendment.
https://www.marriage.com/advice/license ... e-history/
Re: The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:37 am
by 03Lightningrocks
Chaparral wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:17 pm
Quarantine powers, in the interest of public health, are as old as the nation.
Can you possibly point to when the country previously enacted Nation Wide, State Wide or even County wide quarantine restrictions even close to what is presently going on? I was not aware of a time in history when The United States did this.
Could you also point me to where in the constitution the government is given "quarantine" powers? I can't seem to find anything that says the government has the power to restrict constitutional rights under specific circumstances.
Re: The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:40 am
by Paladin
The American legacy media is now voicing it's support for
Chinese Communist style control of the media
I've been to Communist China, and its media are awful. They were literally releasing information regarding tens of thousands of deaths due to an earthquake 30 years later... no rush I guess?
Re: The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:52 am
by philip964
https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2 ... ights.html
Judge rules stay at home order does not violate constitutional rights in Michigan.
Re: The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:21 am
by JDstar
03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:37 am
Chaparral wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:17 pm
Quarantine powers, in the interest of public health, are as old as the nation.
Can you possibly point to when the country previously enacted Nation Wide, State Wide or even County wide quarantine restrictions even close to what is presently going on? I was not aware of a time in history when The United States did this.
Could you also point me to where in the constitution the government is given "quarantine" powers? I can't seem to find anything that says the government has the power to restrict constitutional rights under specific circumstances.
State powers concerning quarantine and isolation:
https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/st ... tutes.aspx
Federal powers concerning the same:
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/specific ... tions.html
Past instances of wide spread quarantine are most obvious from the Spanish Flu in 1918. History has many examples of city wide quarantines with that of San Francisco in 1900 being one of the most notorious. This isn't the first time, even if it is the most widespread in a century.
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/arch ... ne/609163/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Franc ... %80%931904
Re: The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:40 am
by parabelum
Late Paul Harvey:
“ In times like these, it helps to recall that there have always been times like these.”