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What if the lockdown was all a big mistake? By Dr. Ron Paul
https://mises.org/power-market/what-if- ... ig-mistake

From California to New Jersey, Americans are protesting in the streets. They are demanding an end to house arrest orders given by government officials over a virus outbreak that even according to the latest US government numbers will claim fewer lives than the seasonal flu outbreak of 2017–18.

As of today, based on CDC numbers, the Covid-19 fatality rate in the US is approximately 0.0127%. (41,758 deaths divided by approximately 330 million Americans).

Grayling813 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:40 pm What if the lockdown was all a big mistake? By Dr. Ron Paul
https://mises.org/power-market/what-if- ... ig-mistake

From California to New Jersey, Americans are protesting in the streets. They are demanding an end to house arrest orders given by government officials over a virus outbreak that even according to the latest US government numbers will claim fewer lives than the seasonal flu outbreak of 2017–18.

As of today, based on CDC numbers, the Covid-19 fatality rate in the US is approximately 0.0127%. (41,758 deaths divided by approximately 330 million Americans).

I bet the fatality rate is even lower than that. If china virus is even 10% as contagious as we are being told, there is no way in "CHINA" that there are not millions who have already had it and developed antibodies for it. The sacrifice by Americans of their basic constitutional rights during this thing will be remembered by the elitist power structure and used by them with even further intrusions in the future. It is one thing to make recommendations and allow people to decide for themselves. This forced shut down is not American in any way, shape, form or fashion.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:10 pm [
I bet the fatality rate is even lower than that. If china virus is even 10% as contagious as we are being told, there is no way in "CHINA" that there are not millions who have already had it and developed antibodies for it. The sacrifice by Americans of their basic constitutional rights during this thing will be remembered by the elitist power structure and used by them with even further intrusions in the future. It is one thing to make recommendations and allow people to decide for themselves. This forced shut down is not American in any way, shape, form or fashion.

Amen!

What do you mean "if"?

The infection rate is much higher than our official positive tests. Possibly 85 times higher.

https://www.wired.com/story/new-covid-1 ... hey-right/

. First, the results: The Stanford researchers calculated that between 2.5 percent and 4.2 percent of the county’s residents were infected as of early April. That sounds like a reasonably small number, but if true, it would mean Covid-19 is drastically more widespread than local swab testing suggests: 50- to 85-fold

. Assuming a higher infection rate consequently lowers the disease’s estimated fatality rate, driving it from around 1 percent to just 0.12 to 0.2 percent. For the record, the death rate from the flu is about 0.1 percent.

So the death rate is somewhere from slightly higher then the flu to double the flu. Worth giving up a lot of liberties over?

Grayling813 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:40 pm What if the lockdown was all a big mistake? By Dr. Ron Paul
https://mises.org/power-market/what-if- ... ig-mistake

From California to New Jersey, Americans are protesting in the streets. They are demanding an end to house arrest orders given by government officials over a virus outbreak that even according to the latest US government numbers will claim fewer lives than the seasonal flu outbreak of 2017–18.

As of today, based on CDC numbers, the Covid-19 fatality rate in the US is approximately 0.0127%. (41,758 deaths divided by approximately 330 million Americans).

My understanding is that mortality rates are measured as the rate of infected people. So the mortality rate should divided by the number of infected, not the population. The question is if you are infected, what % die from the disease?

Grayling813 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:40 pm What if the lockdown was all a big mistake? By Dr. Ron Paul
https://mises.org/power-market/what-if- ... ig-mistake

From California to New Jersey, Americans are protesting in the streets. They are demanding an end to house arrest orders given by government officials over a virus outbreak that even according to the latest US government numbers will claim fewer lives than the seasonal flu outbreak of 2017–18.

As of today, based on CDC numbers, the Covid-19 fatality rate in the US is approximately 0.0127%. (41,758 deaths divided by approximately 330 million Americans).

Incorrect interpretation. The fatality rate isn’t measured as a percentage of all citizens, whether or not they’ve had the disease. The metric that makes sense to me is the percentage of CLOSED cases ending in either recovery, or death. You can’t really go by open cases, because you can’t make a valid prediction based on it. But even my preferred metric is no predictor of how many people WILL get it......or not.

The CDC says that the mortality calculation I provided is correct. Then again, it’s the CDC so maybe I’m wrong. https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/ ... tion3.html

Other sites agree though
https://www.easycalculation.com/medical ... ulator.php

https://www.reference.com/world-view/ca ... 67a2fd76eb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_rate

https://www.britannica.com/science/mortality-demography

https://www.open.edu/openlearn/health-s ... tion-2.1.1

That would give you a good number of the OVERALL mortality rate. Everyone will die at some point, so it's good data to measure that statistic. However, not everyone will contract COVID-19. If you scroll down the CDC page in the link you provided, you will see the formula for "Method for calculating death-to-case ratio". Using that formula, (Number of deaths attributed to a particular disease during specified period divided by Number of new cases of the disease identified during the specified period)
we see the following;

41,758 / 776,093 = Approximately 5.4% Nationwide as of the time I posted this, according to https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... in-us.html

Now, the numbers from the northeast do skew the numbers fairly heavily compared to Texas and other states. When you plug in the numbers for Texas, you get;
517 / 20196 or just over 2.5% https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/ops ... b9cafc8b83

I welcome any corrections to my calculations. I am by no means a mathematician, statistician, nor an infectious disease expert.

Until you can count all of the new / total cases, this number is completely flawed. It's all just guesses right now based on our limited data. We won't know the true cases, infection rates, or death rate until we scale up the antibody test.

The mortality rate for human beings is 100%....so far.

And yes. The lockdown was a monumental waste for which we will be paying for many years.

My personal opinion is that shutting down private businesses was a mistake. Certain businesses are able to function, while following CDC guidelines. Why can't other businesses do the same?

Flightmare wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:02 pm My personal opinion is that shutting down private businesses was a mistake. Certain businesses are able to function, while following CDC guidelines. Why can't other businesses do the same?

The underlying problem, IMHO, is that there have not be consistent guidelines for what does or does not help to spread the virus. Initially we were told that masks did not work. Suddenly, wearing masks is mandatory, at least in some areas. Our Governor is hot on restarting NASCAR but perhaps MLB has actually a lower level of physical distancing requirements in the course of game than the pit crews do? Is 6 feet the correct number? Is there any science behind that or simply someone's SWAG?

They are talking about the gate to an open economy being more widespread test and then the CDC shows up with contaminated tests. We are told that a vaccine will be necessary for full operation of our country and that everyone is going to be forced to take it and carry some sort of proof that we've had it. Then comes word that there will be a 2nd wave of even more virilent Covid 19 this Fall. If there multiple strains of the virus (maybe even already), will the efficacy of the vaccine be better than the one that they use for the flu?

Maybe it is just me being too jaded but this looks like a country wide lab experiment. I'm not discounting at all the seriousness of the symptoms for those who experience the worst of them. But even the prediction of who those people are seems seriously flawed and that is driving a lot of the lock down paranoia.

Or they can just use their numbers and treat them as imaginary (they sort of are anyways), square them and voilà now they are negative.

This question certainly needs to be looked at. Is the "treatment" is worse than the disease?

It's easy to find examples of where authorities have abused this lockdown. Some examples are: UK police stop two people breaching coronavirus lockdown on jet skis, There's One Guy Policing Trump's $2.2 Trillion Bailout, and He's Working From Home On a Laptop:

“You could see taxpayer money going to support a company that then turns around and fires a bunch of its workers, while paying out full executive compensation.”

There’s so little transparency at the moment, it’s impossible to say for sure whether that might already be happening.

“A lot of this money is going to big companies, right?,” Ramamurti said. “I think one of the main questions is: What kinds of conditions are we putting on that money so we can be confident the companies will use it in the broader public interest? Rather than just shuffling it off to their shareholders and to their executives?”

Studies Suggest Coronavirus Lockdown Increases Risks of Drug Abuse and Suicide... There are hints that the lockdown is increasing the overall death rate in New York.

What has been done to stop the bio-engineering of deadly viruses like SARS? Bio-engineering can be used for developing vaccines, treatment, or bio-weapons. Nothing that I can see has been done to put a lid on it. Research groups are still getting government money to "research" bio-engineering deadly viruses and publish their results online so the ChiComs and terrorists worldwide can leverage that government funded bioweapon research into use as quickly as possible.

Even with the lockdown, One third of participants in Massachusetts study tested positive for antibodies linked to coronavirus. This virus spreads like lightning, and even with the lockdown the peak may already be here. On the plus side Fauci is an idiot and the death rate appears to be much much lower than he predicted.

Now we have to ask, who benefits? It's not me. It's not Trump. I don't think its you. It is the billionaire class who are getting massive corporate bailouts, the authoritarian state they crave, and political support for their puppet Joe Biden.