Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:43 pm
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Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
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Re: Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:11 pm
Intentionally released or not, I have no doubt that it was made in that lab.
Re: Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:35 pm
Neither does the French Dr. who was part of the team that discovered the HIV virus. If this country allows the Manchurian Candidates of the demo-commie party to take control again . . .
As someone who took an oath to defend the Constitution, I'm well past the point of concern about all enemies foreign and domestic. One serves the other!
There is no doubt about who controls the national media with very few exceptions. I can't say that I'm optimistic about some of the RINOs either. It seems we already forgot about Cornyn supporting another Feinstein attempt to ban Modern Sporting Rifles. No opposition to Cornyn whatsoever from the Texas Republican Party. I ain't talkin' about his party opposition in the primary. Without the party itself backing a better senatorial candidate, Cornyn was a lock to face demo-commie's challenger.
And with all of the tragic events, the mainstream media says nothing about what China is buying up here. They don't even to bother to let us know how affairs are being conducted in a Chinese city like say, Shanghai! Is it under lockdown?
It also seems probable that if the bio-engineering of the virus took place, they would have developed immunization against it before its release. So let's see, how many occupants at the big ChiCom table have been diagnosed or quarantined? No doubt they'll one day own CNN!
As someone who took an oath to defend the Constitution, I'm well past the point of concern about all enemies foreign and domestic. One serves the other!
There is no doubt about who controls the national media with very few exceptions. I can't say that I'm optimistic about some of the RINOs either. It seems we already forgot about Cornyn supporting another Feinstein attempt to ban Modern Sporting Rifles. No opposition to Cornyn whatsoever from the Texas Republican Party. I ain't talkin' about his party opposition in the primary. Without the party itself backing a better senatorial candidate, Cornyn was a lock to face demo-commie's challenger.
And with all of the tragic events, the mainstream media says nothing about what China is buying up here. They don't even to bother to let us know how affairs are being conducted in a Chinese city like say, Shanghai! Is it under lockdown?
It also seems probable that if the bio-engineering of the virus took place, they would have developed immunization against it before its release. So let's see, how many occupants at the big ChiCom table have been diagnosed or quarantined? No doubt they'll one day own CNN!
Re: Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:14 pm
Well, I personally wouldn't take the source at face value. Dr. Montagnier is almost 88 now (and not without criticism for some looney science about DNA being teleported), Jean-Claude Perez seems to be a bit a of a loon himself (having claimed, with no more data anywhere to back him up in the last decade, that all coding for human genes is structured by the Golden Ratio), and there's no indication that they were actually doing any sort of work in conjunction with an established university or laboratory.
The complete DNA sequence of SARS-CoV-2 has been publicly available from many worldwide sources since the beginning of the year. In fact, there are 1,084 different sequences on file at the National Center for Biotechnology Information at the U.S. National Institutes of Health. The latest U.S. sequencing was done March 19. Anyone can look at and download the files at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/sars-cov-2-seqs/.
The virus is only 30,000 base pairs long, which is tiny, and it's obviously being researched non-stop by institutions all over the globe. So what are the odds that Montagnier and Perez, working on their own with no citations as to what studies they actually conducted, and who are kind of way-out-there with some their past "science," would be the first to discover an engineered link between HIV and SARS-CoV-2 and then to announce it on a podcast of all places?
Color me skeptical about their claims.
The complete DNA sequence of SARS-CoV-2 has been publicly available from many worldwide sources since the beginning of the year. In fact, there are 1,084 different sequences on file at the National Center for Biotechnology Information at the U.S. National Institutes of Health. The latest U.S. sequencing was done March 19. Anyone can look at and download the files at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/sars-cov-2-seqs/.
The virus is only 30,000 base pairs long, which is tiny, and it's obviously being researched non-stop by institutions all over the globe. So what are the odds that Montagnier and Perez, working on their own with no citations as to what studies they actually conducted, and who are kind of way-out-there with some their past "science," would be the first to discover an engineered link between HIV and SARS-CoV-2 and then to announce it on a podcast of all places?
Color me skeptical about their claims.
Re: Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:20 pm
Any of the Chinese doctors who even tried to hint about the China Virus being extremely contagious were immediately silenced, if they weren't in fact disappeared.
Obviously the correct opinion about its origination will not be coming from China. So who, the WHO? CDC? CNN? We at least know that protective counter-measures were not properly exercised considering the potential risk.
Obviously the correct opinion about its origination will not be coming from China. So who, the WHO? CDC? CNN? We at least know that protective counter-measures were not properly exercised considering the potential risk.
Re: Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:45 pm
An even more dangerous question is: If developed in that lab (and I'm betting it was), was it a generic new development strain, or was it a illegitimately created bio-weapon (which are illegal to make, even if accidentally released). If it is a bio-weapon, it likely would have been designed for all kinds of crazy resurgences and lack of immunity among populations.
I'm hoping it was just a generic lab strain for research and vaccination.
I'm hoping it was just a generic lab strain for research and vaccination.
Re: Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:37 pm
I thought the story was it was being studied in the Chinese lab and either infected a person or a bat and then got out of the lab due to sloppy containment procedures. Not as cool as being a top secret Chinese engineered death weapon, but perhaps more likely.
Re: Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:39 pm
Tonight on TV on all 3 network channels plus live streamed on Facebook YouTube etc. is a benefit show for the WHO
You know the same WHO that covered for China and said it wasn’t contagious.
Developed in a lab, maybe, but covered up so the whole world could get it, yes sir.
You know the same WHO that covered for China and said it wasn’t contagious.
Developed in a lab, maybe, but covered up so the whole world could get it, yes sir.
Re: Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:07 am
That was my first thought when I heard about the virus, created in a lab in China.
Re: Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:21 am
I don't have to be a bio-engineer to know that a virus that is 80% SARS + another coronavirus + HIV was made in a lab.
But I do very much appreciate Montagnier and Jean-Claude Perez for publicly confirming what should be obvious to all.
Next up is accountability, and I don't trust the globalists anymore than I trust the ChiComs.
But I do very much appreciate Montagnier and Jean-Claude Perez for publicly confirming what should be obvious to all.
Next up is accountability, and I don't trust the globalists anymore than I trust the ChiComs.
Re: Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:26 pm
Re: Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:00 pm
It has to be more than just coincidence that their leaders aren't being infected the ways ours and others have been.
And there are reports out if you can find them that point out the amount of US Debt the Chinese now control. Last I saw it was over a Trillion $ but I suspect that would be a conservative estimate. And there just isn't any doubt about the demo-commie party being in bed with the Chinese. And of course, Hunter Biden and undoubtedly Joe are complicit.
Had the CIA not been politicized by liberal/commies, we should have known what was going on even before the outbreak.
And there are reports out if you can find them that point out the amount of US Debt the Chinese now control. Last I saw it was over a Trillion $ but I suspect that would be a conservative estimate. And there just isn't any doubt about the demo-commie party being in bed with the Chinese. And of course, Hunter Biden and undoubtedly Joe are complicit.
Had the CIA not been politicized by liberal/commies, we should have known what was going on even before the outbreak.
Re: Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:42 pm
from the article:TomV wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:26 pm A dissenting opinion based on science.
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus ... D0KOx5WBhA
SARS-CoV-2 is 80% identical to SARS-CoV-1...SARS-CoV-1 is well known to cause illness so I am struggling to see how SARS-CoV-2 is not 80% similar to "a virus known to cause illness"."If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness," according to a statement from Scripps.
The Level 4 biolab in Wuhan was set up to research SARS-CoV-1 and other corona-viruses.
The "associate" professor's other argument is that his computer model doesn't suggest that SARS-CoV-2 would work well. That's a weak argument if I've ever heard one.
Re: Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:22 pm
I think he has some good points but it is not an area of science I am very familiar with. My knowledge of bioweapons is fairly limited and more on the deployment and counteracting them than on the design.TomV wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:26 pm A dissenting opinion based on science.
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus ... D0KOx5WBhA
But I think he is missing a big point, and it is my personal belief that the virus did escape from the lab. The point is that the lab may not have designed this specific version. It is very possible that the lab was studying a new mutation, either for medical purposes or for weapon purposes. This may have been a mutation that they thought they could mutate into a better weapon. And the lab could have been studying it looking for a vaccine because they found the virus in a human case and thought it might become an epidemic.
Regardless of why they were studying it, I believe that it accidentally released the virus through incompetence. There is an old saying about not attributing to evil that which is properly attribute to incompetence. I believe that would explain this virus and how it got loose. It would answer the author's argument that it was not designed as a weapon. It would also explain China's attempts to keep it covered up - they hate to look like they made a mistake or were incompetent in anything, let alone something this serious. Occam's razor says the simplest answer with the fewest assumptions that explains the facts is probably the correct answer. Between that and the latest word from the CIA, I think my answer about it being a mistake is the right answer to how SARS-CoV-2 got loose in the world.
Re: Was COVID-19 bio-engineered in a Wuhan lab?
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:33 pm
srothstein wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:22 pmI think he has some good points but it is not an area of science I am very familiar with. My knowledge of bioweapons is fairly limited and more on the deployment and counteracting them than on the design.TomV wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:26 pm A dissenting opinion based on science.
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus ... D0KOx5WBhA
But I think he is missing a big point, and it is my personal belief that the virus did escape from the lab. The point is that the lab may not have designed this specific version. It is very possible that the lab was studying a new mutation, either for medical purposes or for weapon purposes. This may have been a mutation that they thought they could mutate into a better weapon. And the lab could have been studying it looking for a vaccine because they found the virus in a human case and thought it might become an epidemic.
Regardless of why they were studying it, I believe that it accidentally released the virus through incompetence. There is an old saying about not attributing to evil that which is properly attribute to incompetence. I believe that would explain this virus and how it got loose. It would answer the author's argument that it was not designed as a weapon. It would also explain China's attempts to keep it covered up - they hate to look like they made a mistake or were incompetent in anything, let alone something this serious. Occam's razor says the simplest answer with the fewest assumptions that explains the facts is probably the correct answer. Between that and the latest word from the CIA, I think my answer about it being a mistake is the right answer to how SARS-CoV-2 got loose in the world.
