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Re: TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:08 am
by ELB
HB 446.
Removes "knuckles" from PC 46.05.
But what is bigger news, to me anyway, is it also appears to remove carrying a "club" in public as an offense from PC 46.02. Whoa!
Somebody else go read the text and see if I'm right:
https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/86R/b ... 00446F.htm
Does this mean saps and jacks are now legal to carry?
Re: TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:18 am
by Papa_Tiger
If the law is not vetoed by Governor Abbot, it will into effect September 1, 2019. Until then knuckles and clubs remain illegal.
Re: TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:27 am
by RSX11
Great - when this becomes effective, I can carry my favorite knife.
https://www.coldsteel.com/chaos-double-edge.html
Re: TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 am
by crazy2medic
Here's a question, is a Baton considered a club? I have my level 4 security commission, I can legally posses it but only carry it while in uniform, so if clubs become legal and a baton is a club, I could carry even off duty?
Re: TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:42 am
by Flightmare
crazy2medic wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 am
Here's a question, is a Baton considered a club? I have my level 4 security commission, I can legally posses it but only carry it while in uniform, so if clubs become legal and a baton is a club, I could carry even off duty?
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs ... /PE.46.htm
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Club" means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:
(A) blackjack;
(B) nightstick;
(C) mace;
(D) tomahawk.
IANAL, but I believe the baton would be included in the definition of "club".
Re: TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:44 am
by ELB
Papa_Tiger wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:18 am
If the law is not vetoed by Governor Abbot, it will into effect September 1, 2019. Until then knuckles and clubs remain illegal.
Well, by "now" I meant when the law goes into effect. The question is, does the bill allow carry of clubs in public? It appears to me that it does.
Re: TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:50 am
by crazy2medic
Flightmare wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:42 am
crazy2medic wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 am
Here's a question, is a Baton considered a club? I have my level 4 security commission, I can legally posses it but only carry it while in uniform, so if clubs become legal and a baton is a club, I could carry even off duty?
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs ... /PE.46.htm
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Club" means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:
(A) blackjack;
(B) nightstick;
(C) mace;
(D) tomahawk.
IANAL, but I believe the baton would be included in the definition of "club".
Duly noted!
Re: TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 12:08 pm
by bblhd672
crazy2medic wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 am
Here's a question, is a Baton considered a club? I have my level 4 security commission, I can legally posses it but only carry it while in uniform, so if clubs become legal and a baton is a club, I could carry even off duty?
Same question here. I"m taking L3/L4 security training for my church safety team.
Re: TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 12:14 pm
by bblhd672
crazy2medic wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:50 am
Flightmare wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:42 am
crazy2medic wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 11:29 am
Here's a question, is a Baton considered a club? I have my level 4 security commission, I can legally posses it but only carry it while in uniform, so if clubs become legal and a baton is a club, I could carry even off duty?
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs ... /PE.46.htm
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Club" means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:
(A) blackjack;
(B) nightstick;
(C) mace;
(D) tomahawk.
IANAL, but I believe the baton would be included in the definition of "club".
Duly noted!
Thanks. Waiting to see what the governor does.
Re: TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 1:13 pm
by ELB
The law as it stands this moment exempt certain security personnel who are on duty from the prohibition against carrying clubs, so pretty sure the law considers batons to be clubs, along with anything else you can whack somebody with.
Re: TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 8:09 pm
by anygunanywhere
Carrying my tomahawk will be legal??
Re: TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 8:12 pm
by ScottDLS
anygunanywhere wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 8:09 pm
Carrying my tomahawk will be legal??
My poniard, dirk, or dagger?
Re: TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:17 pm
by Syntyr
ScottDLS wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 8:12 pm
anygunanywhere wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 8:09 pm
Carrying my tomahawk will be legal??
My poniard, dirk, or dagger?
I would like to carry and asp or steel baton.
Re: TX: brass knuckles, kitty keychain etc ban lifted...
Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:16 pm
by powerboatr
AndyC wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:48 am
AUSTIN — Texas lawmakers have passed legislation lifting the state ban on brass knuckles, kitty keychains and other self defense items.
The Texas Senate gave the bill its final OK on Wednesday morning; it now heads to Gov. Greg Abbott for his signature or veto.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas-l ... botts-desk
ok..what is a kitty keychain?