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Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:39 pm
by n5wd
It appears that Texas DPS's Drivers License offices have quietly started to fingerprint (all 10 fingers, not just the one like before) all drivers license applicants for new licenses, modification, or renewals.
(What's next -DNA samples from everyone?)
http://www.dallasnews.com/investigation ... prints.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
By the way, for Star-Telegram fans of Dave Lieber, who retired from the Startlegram a couple of years ago, he's now back with the Dallas Morning News.
Re: Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:32 am
by jbarn
I don't know why it bugs when written wrong, but the author is not calling the item the right thing. It is a Driver License, not a driver's license.
Re: Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:41 am
by jimlongley
That will make it interesting for my wife. Starting with her first CHL application she has had to get no less than two sets of prints done, and once three. Every renewal DPS requests her prints and then denies the first time because the prints have not got enough definition. This last time the first was denied, a second set of prints was denied, and then they suddenly issued her CHL despite sending her a letter that they were denying and she needed to be printed again.
My wife's prints are just naturally not well defined, and she has spent a lifetime working with paper, which wears the prints down. A really skilled paper print operator can usually get enough definition with some effort, but the FAST system people are not what I would consider "really skilled" and don't put any effort into it despite being warned in advance. Their attitude seems to be "Yeah, right lady, you're trying to tell ME the expert . . ." and they get ten unreadable smudges.
I have told my wife that she needed to be living a successful life of crime instead of being a church secretary.
Re: Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:55 am
by Jaguar
jbarn wrote:I don't know why it bugs when written wrong, but the author is not calling the item the right thing. It is a Driver License, not a driver's license.
According to the Texas Transportation Code, it is called a "driver's license." (Title 7, subtitle B, chapter 521, subchapter A, 521.001(a)(3).)
And the law does say, "thumbprints or fingerprints" so I guess they are going with option 2. I don't like it.
Re: Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:00 am
by puma guy
Considering we get groped or x-rayed every time we fly this seems pretty innocuous, I suppose.
Re: Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:15 am
by jbarn
Jaguar wrote:jbarn wrote:I don't know why it bugs when written wrong, but the author is not calling the item the right thing. It is a Driver License, not a driver's license.
According to the Texas Transportation Code, it is called a "driver's license." (Title 7, subtitle B, chapter 521, subchapter A, 521.001(a)(3).)
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Look at the license itself.
Re: Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:18 am
by Keith B
jbarn wrote:Jaguar wrote:jbarn wrote:I don't know why it bugs when written wrong, but the author is not calling the item the right thing. It is a Driver License, not a driver's license.
According to the Texas Transportation Code, it is called a "driver's license." (Title 7, subtitle B, chapter 521, subchapter A, 521.001(a)(3).)
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Look at the license itself.
So who's wrong? The DPS or the code they are to follow? (aka, which came first, the chicken or the egg?)
Re: Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:23 am
by mojo84
jbarn wrote:Jaguar wrote:jbarn wrote:I don't know why it bugs when written wrong, but the author is not calling the item the right thing. It is a Driver License, not a driver's license.
According to the Texas Transportation Code, it is called a "driver's license." (Title 7, subtitle B, chapter 521, subchapter A, 521.001(a)(3).)
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Look at the license itself.
Does it really matter? Apparently either one works. Driver's is the possessive form for driver that possesses a license. Bigger fish to fry elsewhere.
Why do they need our fingerprints? Might as well take some blood and hair samples as well. How about implanting a driver's license electronic implant with a GPS transmitter?
Re: Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:46 am
by OldCurlyWolf
For me it is a non-sequitur. The feds have had a full set on me since 72, Texas since 1978(Again in 1999) and Oklahoma since 2003. They definitely know who I am, with 4 full background checks, including one for a Top Secret security clearance.
Re: Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:57 am
by mojo84
I've had to give mine for a license to sell insurance. It didn't come with a top secret clearance. If I applied for a top secret clearance I would understand better.
Re: Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:04 am
by MeMelYup
I wonder if they are acceptable for CHL.
Re: Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:45 am
by Fuchs
I hope they start doing it for voting too!
Re: Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:00 pm
by puma guy
mojo84 wrote:I've had to give mine for a license to sell insurance. It didn't come with a top secret clearance. If I applied for a top secret clearance I would understand better.
Required for real estate also
Re: Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:13 pm
by cb1000rider
MeMelYup wrote:I wonder if they are acceptable for CHL.
No, those cost more.
It's just another way to solve more crimes... I can already hear "if you have nothing to hide, why do you care?"
DNA would do the same thing - collect from everyone, you'd solve a lot more crime....
It's certainly headed that way.
Re: Texas DPS: Step up for your fingerprints, now!
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:13 pm
by sjfcontrol
I thought the collection/databasing of the fingerprints of non-criminals was illegal. Which would also mean that the CHL fingerprints should not be databased.