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I do not know what to judge this contact. Is it harassment? Is it like the prevailing attitude of our folks here that peaceful open carry of long guns is counter-productive for 2nA rights?

I would say, if I have the right to say "Allahu Akbar" anywhere I am as I am exercising my 1A right. Will I got the call to 5-0?
Will I got the same lesson from a hot-headed LEO?

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I skipped through the video and didn't watch all of it. As far as the "shoot him in the head" comment, I see that as just a fair warning of what would happen if the guy made a move towards his gun. No harm no foul.

Seemed pretty level headed to me.

Where are you getting hot headed from? I never heard the officer raise his voice. All sides seemed nice and calm. Not the words I would use, but the guys with the guns were clearly told what would happen if they reached for the guns. They obviously felt threatened and had their weapons out. The officer even explained why.

I do not know about what is the law where the contact happened. However, in Texas a Police officer can disarm a CHLer.
If the officer in the video was concerned about his safety, he could have temporally disarmed the citizen and returned his firearm after the stop.

In any case, there was no crime committed by open carrier of long gun. So, what is the point from the stop?

I'm all for carrying a long gun or handgun however one wants but we have to understand, walking down the street with a gun openly viisible will more than likely result in a contact with a cop. Just the way it is.

Funny. The in your face tactics of open carry folks got themselves banned from Starbucks. Then we have these two morons, trying real hard to get a law passed banning the open carry of a long guns.

Just for the heck of it I will tell you all right now, a guy comes walking up to a place I am at with a open gun or shot gun. I am going to blow that retard right out of his shoes if he so much as pretends he is about to hold the gun in a manner required to shoot it. I will not wait for some nut to open up on me and mine to protect an idiot like those two from mistaken identity .

For all, let me ask what is the value of open-carry of long firearms as a right or legal matter, if the mere exercise of said legal matter, is least to say problematic, controversial, and may lead to Man with a gun call to the local PDs?

For all who are afraid form exercising said legal act as first-step for losing the right of open carry. Let us ban it and done with it, as the mere fear of exercising said act is deterrence from exercising the legal act of open carry of long firearms. If you can not exercise it, why it is legal in the first place?

Beiruty wrote:For all, let me ask what is the value of open-carry of long firearms as a right or legal matter, if the mere exercise of said legal matter, is least to say problematic, controversial, and may lead to Man with a gun call to the local PDs?

For all who are afraid form exercising said legal act as first-step for losing the right of open carry. Let us ban it and done with it, as the mere fear of exercising said act is deterrence from exercising the legal act of open carry of long firearms. If you can not exercise it, why it is legal in the first place?

Who said anyone was afraid? It's a matter of common sense and proper setting. The lack of both of the aforementioned will ensure that we lose the right to exercise said right with common sense in the correct setting.

jmra wrote:

Beiruty wrote:For all, let me ask what is the value of open-carry of long firearms as a right or legal matter, if the mere exercise of said legal matter, is least to say problematic, controversial, and may lead to Man with a gun call to the local PDs?

For all who are afraid form exercising said legal act as first-step for losing the right of open carry. Let us ban it and done with it, as the mere fear of exercising said act is deterrence from exercising the legal act of open carry of long firearms. If you can not exercise it, why it is legal in the first place?

Who said anyone was afraid? It's a matter of common sense and proper setting. The lack of both of the aforementioned will ensure that we lose the right to exercise said right with common sense in the correct setting.

Other than:
1) going hunting
2) going to the range
3) going to/from car/home

I do not see long firearms ever carried openly.
And, all 1) 2) 3) have specific exceptions for open carry of handguns as well as long firearms.

Is this the common-sense open-carry of long-firearms?

Beiruty wrote:

jmra wrote:

Beiruty wrote:For all, let me ask what is the value of open-carry of long firearms as a right or legal matter, if the mere exercise of said legal matter, is least to say problematic, controversial, and may lead to Man with a gun call to the local PDs?

For all who are afraid form exercising said legal act as first-step for losing the right of open carry. Let us ban it and done with it, as the mere fear of exercising said act is deterrence from exercising the legal act of open carry of long firearms. If you can not exercise it, why it is legal in the first place?

Who said anyone was afraid? It's a matter of common sense and proper setting. The lack of both of the aforementioned will ensure that we lose the right to exercise said right with common sense in the correct setting.

Other than:
1) going hunting
2) going to the range
3) going to/from car/home

I do not see long firearms ever carried openly.
And, all 1) 2) 3) have specific exceptions for open carry of handguns as well as long firearms.

Is this the common-sense open-carry of long-firearms?

The bigger question IMHO is intent. If your sole purpose for open carry is that people can see you open carry then you're an idiot. If you have a valid reason/purpose for open carry then carry on. I do believe that open carry of a handgun is very different than open carry of a long gun. I believe it causes less concern and has a much more legitimate application than open carry of a long gun. The problem is we will never see handgun open carry in Texas as long as the OC crowd continues to act their shoe size instead of their age.

Although open carry of a long gun is not illegal, you can be cited or arrested for disturbing the peace if someone makes the "man with a gun" call or so I've been told by a LEO buddy of mine (pro 2A). Especially if more than one person calls in frantically.

Sad situation that has been pushed into play quietly over the last couple of decades in attempts to do away with our 2A rights the anti's will go to any length to do so.

It hasn't helped that these idiots go around trying to gain attention and this attitude will, as stated above, keep us from getting OC.

jmra wrote:

Beiruty wrote:For all, let me ask what is the value of open-carry of long firearms as a right or legal matter, if the mere exercise of said legal matter, is least to say problematic, controversial, and may lead to Man with a gun call to the local PDs?

For all who are afraid form exercising said legal act as first-step for losing the right of open carry. Let us ban it and done with it, as the mere fear of exercising said act is deterrence from exercising the legal act of open carry of long firearms. If you can not exercise it, why it is legal in the first place?

Who said anyone was afraid? It's a matter of common sense and proper setting. The lack of both of the aforementioned will ensure that we lose the right to exercise said right with common sense in the correct setting.

Wow... beautifully said. Fear has NOTHING to do with it.

RPBrown wrote:Although open carry of a long gun is not illegal, you can be cited or arrested for disturbing the peace if someone makes the "man with a gun" call or so I've been told by a LEO buddy of mine (pro 2A). Especially if more than one person calls in frantically.

Sad situation that has been pushed into play quietly over the last couple of decades in attempts to do away with our 2A rights the anti's will go to any length to do so.

It hasn't helped that these idiots go around trying to gain attention and this attitude will, as stated above, keep us from getting OC.

As you describe it above. Your LEO friend would be taking liberty's in what the law says to effect a charge I believe.
"(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;"

If it can be observed and articulated the open carry was done in a manner calculated to alarm TPC 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT, might very well be used.

Some will say.. having a long gun outside of locked case, safe or the house is clearly displaying it in a manner calculated to alarm.. simple because they perceive the mere sight of a weapon scary, and think you should to..so you "displaying it" must be done to alarm..
Most reasonable people would not think that way... I hope.
What the responding LEO does is not going to be known until they get there and evaluate the whole situation I'd guess.

jmra wrote:

Beiruty wrote:

jmra wrote:

Beiruty wrote:For all, let me ask what is the value of open-carry of long firearms as a right or legal matter, if the mere exercise of said legal matter, is least to say problematic, controversial, and may lead to Man with a gun call to the local PDs?

For all who are afraid form exercising said legal act as first-step for losing the right of open carry. Let us ban it and done with it, as the mere fear of exercising said act is deterrence from exercising the legal act of open carry of long firearms. If you can not exercise it, why it is legal in the first place?

Who said anyone was afraid? It's a matter of common sense and proper setting. The lack of both of the aforementioned will ensure that we lose the right to exercise said right with common sense in the correct setting.

Other than:
1) going hunting
2) going to the range
3) going to/from car/home

I do not see long firearms ever carried openly.
And, all 1) 2) 3) have specific exceptions for open carry of handguns as well as long firearms.

Is this the common-sense open-carry of long-firearms?

The bigger question IMHO is intent. If your sole purpose for open carry is that people can see you open carry then you're an idiot. If you have a valid reason/purpose for open carry then carry on. I do believe that open carry of a handgun is very different than open carry of a long gun. I believe it causes less concern and has a much more legitimate application than open carry of a long gun. The problem is we will never see handgun open carry in Texas as long as the OC crowd continues to act their shoe size instead of their age.

Wow!!! You did it again!

Another setting in which open carry of firearms tend not to alarm is gun shows. If I ever get caught with my pants down, it would be one of the aforementioned scenarios. Eating the enchilada special at a favorite mexican food place, is not where I would stay seated and remain calm when I see a guy approaching said place with a firearm in full view.

I think the key here is that people who do this, simply to garner attention and then exploit it, are not doing anyone any favors.

E.Marquez wrote:

RPBrown wrote:Although open carry of a long gun is not illegal, you can be cited or arrested for disturbing the peace if someone makes the "man with a gun" call or so I've been told by a LEO buddy of mine (pro 2A). Especially if more than one person calls in frantically.

Sad situation that has been pushed into play quietly over the last couple of decades in attempts to do away with our 2A rights the anti's will go to any length to do so.

It hasn't helped that these idiots go around trying to gain attention and this attitude will, as stated above, keep us from getting OC.

As you describe it above. Your LEO friend would be taking liberty's in what the law says to effect a charge I believe.
"(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;"

If it can be observed and articulated the open carry was done in a manner calculated to alarm TPC 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT, might very well be used.

Some will say.. having a long gun outside of locked case, safe or the house is clearly displaying it in a manner calculated to alarm.. simple because they perceive the mere sight of a weapon scary, and think you should to..so you "displaying it" must be done to alarm..
Most reasonable people would not think that way... I hope.
What the responding LEO does is not going to be known until they get there and evaluate the whole situation I'd guess.

No, I did not say that HE would be doing this. I said that he told me it could be done. And yes, he also mentioned disorderly conduct as well.