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Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:48 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
Foxnew.com has an article about a recent White House meeting that discussed an estimated 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seeking missiles capable of bringing down commercial airliners being missing from Libya's arsenal. Before Obama decided to intervene in the Libyan uprising, Qaddafi was as quiet as the proverbial church mouse. Why? Because President Reagan had his palace bombed and literally blew him off the commode. Now that Qaddafi is gone and looting and black market sales are going strong, there a very good possibility that some of those 20,000 missiles will find their way to the U.S. and be used to bring down commercial passenger jets.
Before folks start trying to compare Libya with Iraq or Afghanistan, forget it. With Qaddafi in power, Libya wasn't about to do anything to provoke an attack from the U.S. He very narrowly survived the first attack from us and he had no stomach for another. Every time it thundered he ducked. But now he's gone and Libya is becoming a weapons bazaar for terrorists.
Man am I glad we got into that fight!
Chas.
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Re: Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:06 pm
by Dragonfighter
Agreed. They kick and scream over involvement in Iraq and Iran, then those same yahoos get us in Lybia which was in NO WAY a significant tactical hazard to us.
Re: Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:16 pm
by Oldgringo
I told you so. What good has killing Saddam Hussein done? We need to give them (muslims) more guns and encourage them to fire upon one another with great frequency and quit giving them my money. Any attack on the US or its citizens will be dealt with immediately and in nuclear fashion.
When are we, the USA, ever going to learn to mind our own business and quit trying to buy friends where no friends exist? No wonder we're broke! It didn't start with Obama either so don't start with that
stuff.
I'm voting for ME in 2012!
Re: Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:47 pm
by Excaliber
Suggested code name for the Libya intervention: Faster and More Furious
Reason: The impact on arming terrorists with antiaircraft weapons they would never have gotten otherwise makes Operation Fast and Furious look like a nonevent.
Re: Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:01 pm
by hpcatx
Charles L. Cotton wrote:With Qaddafi in power, Libya wasn't about to do anything to provoke an attack from the U.S.
Instead, we've helped catapult Abdelhakim Belhaj, a known provocateur, into a position of power.
Re: Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:15 pm
by Texas Dan Mosby
an estimated 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seeking missiles...
I don't see Libya having a stock pile of 20,000 MANPADS. I'm willing to bet a case of beer there is some bad info being tossed around. RPG's, sure, seems RPG rounds are passed out to schoolchildren in that part of the world, but not MANPADS, as those babies are NOT cheap, and cheap is how those muldoons roll.
Regardless, even if they only have 100 working MANPADS, they can do a whole lot of hurt in the wrong hands.
Re: Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:34 pm
by Heartland Patriot
Charles L. Cotton wrote:Foxnew.com has an article about a recent White House meeting that discussed an estimated 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seeking missiles capable of bringing down commercial airliners being missing from Libya's arsenal. Before Obama decided to intervene in the Libyan uprising, Qaddafi was as quiet as the proverbial church mouse. Why? Because President Reagan had his palace bombed and literally blew him off the commode. Now that Qaddafi is gone and looting and black market sales are going strong, there a very good possibility that some of those 20,000 missiles will find their way to the U.S. and be used to bring down commercial passenger jets.
Before folks start trying to compare Libya with Iraq or Afghanistan, forget it. With Qaddafi in power, Libya wasn't about to do anything to provoke an attack from the U.S. He very narrowly survived the first attack from us and he had no stomach for another. Every time it thundered he ducked. But now he's gone and Libya is becoming a weapons bazaar for terrorists.
Man am I glad we got into that fight!
Chas.
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Yes sir, not only was Gaddafi put in his place by Mr. Reagan and the Armed Forces of the United States, but this was also reinforced by him looking at the hot water Saddam got into, and the result...I agree that other than slicking the Brits to get his Lockerbie bomber pal out, Gaddafi was NOT about to do more than squeak every once in a while, and quiet squeaks at that. Yeah, 20K MANPADS missiles loose and very possibly into terrorist hands is certainly a stark reminder of the law of unintended consequences...I just hope its not one that comes back around to bite us in the behind. ( I also wonder about how the whole Egypt thing is going to turn out...Mubarak may not have been a nice guy in general, but I also never heard that he was actively engaged against us either...and this administration thought it was the best thing since sliced bread that he got run out of there.)
Re: Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:39 pm
by speedsix
...I'd bet that some of those missiles make it into the drug cartels' hands and we take some hits on our drug intervention aircraft, too...they sure have the money to buy them...you'd think we'd get tired of playing and just clean house properly for once...but you have to have a Commander in Chief to do that...nevermind....
Re: Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:14 pm
by ELB
I seem to remember that Prez Bush took a lot of grief for not securing every government building in Iraq immediately after the invasion -- in particular, the national museum that was supposedly looted (which largely turned out to be bogus).
You would think that the guy who knew so much better how to run (away from) Iraq, Afghanistan, GITMO, etc, would have a plan to secure Libya's military sites before setting out to bump off Qaddafi, so I expect to see the MSM harp on this exactly the ....WAIT! Look! Something shiny! Tea Partiers are racists! Perry loves vaccines! MItt is a Mormon and who would vote for a Mormon!
Re: Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:45 am
by sjfcontrol
speedsix wrote:...I'd bet that some of those missiles make it into the drug cartels' hands and we take some hits on our drug intervention aircraft, too...they sure have the money to buy them...you'd think we'd get tired of playing and just clean house properly for once...but you have to have a Commander in Chief to do that...nevermind....
Nawww -- Everybody know the Cartels get their heat-seaking missiles from U.S. gun stores...
(After getting approval from BATFE, of course!)
Re: Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:42 am
by cctcaden
I thought maybe Charles' wife took them to deal with the hawk problem on the other thread.
Re: Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:50 am
by sjfcontrol
Re: Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:01 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
Now that you mention it, I did see a bright flash and hear a boom when Martha was in the back yard.
Chas.
Re: Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:12 pm
by Beiruty
You are missing the picture. China, Pakistan, and Iran all can fab cheap SAM-7 knock-offs. China specifically will sell you anything for a dollar.
As for Libya, Islamists are now in power and they will buy whatever arms they wish, money is not an issue, and control over said arms is nil.
Re: Est. 20,000 shoulder-fired heat-seaking missiles missing
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:51 am
by The Annoyed Man
This is the consequence of a child playing at international relations in a grown up's world.
