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After decades of widespread use of mind-altering chemicals the medical establishment shockingly just admitted that they don't know what they are doing:

Depression 'is NOT caused by low serotonin levels': Study casts doubt over widespread use of potent drugs designed to treat chemical imbalance in brain

As of 2004, all antidepressants in the U.S. are labeled:

“Anxiety, agitation, panic attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility, aggressiveness, impulsivity, akathisia, hypomania, and mania have been reported in adult and pediatric patients being treated with antidepressants for major depressive disorder as well as for indications, both psychiatric and nonpsychiatric.”

Prescription For Violence: The Corresponding Rise of Antidepressants, SSRIs & Mass Shootings

We have to ask what responsibility big-pharma actually has?

I'm with Paladin on this one, and have been thinking along the same lines for some time now. Many (most?) of these violent killers have been linked to use of antidepressants, or at least as having some history of severe mental illness. The human brain presents a huge unknown even to those who supposedly study it, yet Big Pharma has thrown sledgehammer chemical "fixes" at the problem of mental illness for quite some time now. People keep saying that Americans have always been quite well armed, and yet these severe violent crimes were rare in the past, and ask "what has changed?" Obviously, it's NOT firearms ownership or access that has changed, it's the way violent mental illnesses are handled that has changed.

At the same time, it is known that a certain violent political terror group actively recruits those who are addicted to drugs and/or have serious mental illness. The internet, particularly social media, has made it easier for that group to make contact with a wide variety of people and "weed out" until they find who they are looking for. Both the widespread use of these antidepressants and recruitment of folks on those meds are part-and-parcel of the entire problem.

i have a drug free thing for "not playing well in sandbox"

is an ALPHA stim machine that uses alpha waves to help you flush the piles of crap that build up in your mind from shock, trama, events etc
its old tech from the 80s and has no side effects other than allowing you to sleep restful .
it got me off VA meds to make me sleep restful and be able to dump the crap that floats around keeping you awake, which in turn makes you irritable and stuff
i was on Vicodin for over a decade, i could make dr house look like an amateur in its regards at how it made it act, feel and treat others.
now
20 minutes a few times a week for last 3 years.
it also has got me 99% off pain meds for my back, wrist and shoulder. this alone is a wonderful thing
it gave me my life back in regards to chronic pain and the associated issues with chronic pain.
i can visit my chiropractor once a week vice getting pills
drug companies tried to keep these devices off market, because there is very little cost after initial set up. less than 20 bux a year in supplies compared to 1ks in drugs

it also has pain probes in the same alpha waves , truly amazing tech

i imagine my kidney and liver are happy now as are my family and friends . i am back to being the wonderful person vice the horses tail

I've never heard of ALPHA stem machine before. Looks interest, but the cost from $100 to north of $2000 is well interesting to say the least.

As a user what do you use and thoughts on price point spread!

Mike

mcscanner wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:14 pm I've never heard of ALPHA stem machine before. Looks interest, but the cost from $100 to north of $2000 is well interesting to say the least.

As a user what do you use and thoughts on price point spread!

Mike

it has to be prescribed by a doc
VA prescribed it to me , they are actively trying to get vets off meds (pain and antidepressants) if possible
my chiropractor was really glad to hear i had one, he thinks the world of the technology
its made in mineral wells https://www.alpha-stim.com/

https://www.alpha-stim.com/product-cate ... ha-stim-m/ prices
1299.00
https://www.alpha-stim.com/healthcare-p ... -research/

i imagine deductible apply for device, not sure which insurance will cover it. tricare said no, but VA said yes, so medicare should follow as its all government
it comes with lifetime renewal of consumables and i bet the gov got gouge a bit on price.
even at 2k it saves money the 1st year from no meds
pain probes take a few days of everyday to see actual relief and the ear clip brain things turn on the drain and let all the bull of the day or ever seem to go elsewhere.
you have to try to see the results, 1st times is everyday for 2 weeks then you do it once or twice a week, or you can use it everyday and no limit to how many times per day for pain . recommended once per day for the brain stimulation part, 1st few times it makes you feel like your on a boat and sort of have sea legs, then they turn down the power and it is pretty much unnoticeable

powerboatr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:58 pm

mcscanner wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:14 pm I've never heard of ALPHA stem machine before. Looks interest, but the cost from $100 to north of $2000 is well interesting to say the least.

As a user what do you use and thoughts on price point spread!

Mike

it has to be prescribed by a doc
VA prescribed it to me , they are actively trying to get vets off meds (pain and antidepressants) if possible
my chiropractor was really glad to hear i had one, he thinks the world of the technology
its made in mineral wells https://www.alpha-stim.com/

https://www.alpha-stim.com/product-cate ... ha-stim-m/ prices
1299.00
https://www.alpha-stim.com/healthcare-p ... -research/

i imagine deductible apply for device, not sure which insurance will cover it. tricare said no, but VA said yes, so medicare should follow as its all government
it comes with lifetime renewal of consumables and i bet the gov got gouge a bit on price.
even at 2k it saves money the 1st year from no meds
pain probes take a few days of everyday to see actual relief and the ear clip brain things turn on the drain and let all the bull of the day or ever seem to go elsewhere.
you have to try to see the results, 1st times is everyday for 2 weeks then you do it once or twice a week, or you can use it everyday and no limit to how many times per day for pain . recommended once per day for the brain stimulation part, 1st few times it makes you feel like your on a boat and sort of have sea legs, then they turn down the power and it is pretty much unnoticeable

Did the VA provide one for you? Should I ask my PCP for one, or a specialist?

I have been thinking on the same line as Paladin for years! Most psych meds list 'suicidal ideation and tendencies' as side effects. By definition someone suicidal is also homicidal.

What I was taught in Paramedic School was people that are deeply depressed are too depressed to commit suicide, once they start taking the anti depressant, it brings them up to a point where they are still suicidal but now they have the energy to actually go through with it, and what do they use? The Antidepressant their Doctor prescribed!

JakeTheSnake wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:05 am

powerboatr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:58 pm

mcscanner wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:14 pm I've never heard of ALPHA stem machine before. Looks interest, but the cost from $100 to north of $2000 is well interesting to say the least.

As a user what do you use and thoughts on price point spread!

Mike

it has to be prescribed by a doc
VA prescribed it to me , they are actively trying to get vets off meds (pain and antidepressants) if possible
my chiropractor was really glad to hear i had one, he thinks the world of the technology
its made in mineral wells https://www.alpha-stim.com/

https://www.alpha-stim.com/product-cate ... ha-stim-m/ prices
1299.00
https://www.alpha-stim.com/healthcare-p ... -research/

i imagine deductible apply for device, not sure which insurance will cover it. tricare said no, but VA said yes, so medicare should follow as its all government
it comes with lifetime renewal of consumables and i bet the gov got gouge a bit on price.
even at 2k it saves money the 1st year from no meds
pain probes take a few days of everyday to see actual relief and the ear clip brain things turn on the drain and let all the bull of the day or ever seem to go elsewhere.
you have to try to see the results, 1st times is everyday for 2 weeks then you do it once or twice a week, or you can use it everyday and no limit to how many times per day for pain . recommended once per day for the brain stimulation part, 1st few times it makes you feel like your on a boat and sort of have sea legs, then they turn down the power and it is pretty much unnoticeable

Did the VA provide one for you? Should I ask my PCP for one, or a specialist?

yes VA provided it, you have to get a consult for phys therapy and they do the intial tests and show you how to use it, then they issue you one takeas bout 6 weeks to get all the stuff done .

if you are under VA medical care, a simple email to your primary and gt the ball rolling