Types of People Post on this Forum

[chamberc]

I have to respectfully disagree. While there are two camps and your construct often works I don't think its base is necessarily freedom vs. state control. I'd proffer there is that, but also "both sides" tend to want to control me, just on different issues. If I pop up that abortion should be legal in all circumstances I not going to get a fight from the "liberal side," but from the "conservative side." However thats a freedom from government point.
I've often found its both sides that are trying to tell me to do something. I resist both.

I agree.

Conservatives don't really believe in freedom to make choices any more than liberals. They just want everyone to be free to make the same choices they would make.

How about let's legalize marijuana, gambling and prostitution?

All those conservatives are going to come down on those ideas like a ton of bricks.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -John Adams



Ours is a Christian nation, formed with Christian values, and is to be enjoyed by folks who accept those values as the law of the land. It isn't that they have to subscribe to those beliefs, but they must abide by them.

[frazzled]

Except for slaves and women at the time but never mind.

So in other words, yep do as I say.

[android]

Conservatives don't really believe in freedom to make choices any more than liberals. They just want everyone to be free to make the same choices they would make.

How about let's legalize marijuana, gambling and prostitution?

All those conservatives are going to come down on those ideas like a ton of bricks.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -John Adams



Ours is a Christian nation, formed with Christian values, and is to be enjoyed by folks who accept those values as the law of the land. It isn't that they have to subscribe to those beliefs, but they must abide by them.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

[chamberc]

Conservatives don't really believe in freedom to make choices any more than liberals. They just want everyone to be free to make the same choices they would make.

How about let's legalize marijuana, gambling and prostitution?

All those conservatives are going to come down on those ideas like a ton of bricks.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -John Adams



Ours is a Christian nation, formed with Christian values, and is to be enjoyed by folks who accept those values as the law of the land. It isn't that they have to subscribe to those beliefs, but they must abide by them.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Prior to the rise of the immoral, anti-American mindset, which really came to power in the 1960's, it was clearly demonstrated and was accepted by the masses in the United States.

Finally, 4 years of Latin put to use!

[frazzled]

No actually. Many of the restrictive laws were put in place in the 20th century. Prior to that we were a hard drinking, opium smoking, gun toting, manifest destiny kinda place.
But it proves the point. Lets not get all high and mighty on who's about liberty and freedom here. Some are, some aren't, but its relation has nothing to do whether persons consider themselves "liberal" or "conservative."

[Abraham]

Get off my lawn!

[frazzled]

Dude thats so my line

[android]

No actually. Many of the restrictive laws were put in place in the 20th century. Prior to that we were a hard drinking, opium smoking, gun toting, manifest destiny kinda place.

You forgot bordello visiting and saloon gambling...

[Charles L. Cotton]

I haven't been following this thread; I simply don't have time to read everything. I want to make a couple of observations about the "policy" of the TexasCHLforum and I think most of our members.

First, this forum was not created as a venue to discuss political issues that are unrelated to firearms and related freedoms. However, over time we (Moderators) very reluctantly agreed to open an "Off Topic" sub-forum in response to numerous requests from members. We were convinced that it was a major problem in the making and that we would surely have to shut it down. I'm proud to say we were absolutely wrong. We have had very few problems and I attribute that to the character of our members. To bolster that claim, I would also point to the fact that in almost five years (Dec. 2004), we have had to ban less than a dozen members, aside from spammers.

Even with the opening of the Off Topic section, we still prohibit out-and-out political discussion on hot button issues. Rule 11 sets addresses this as follows;

11. Off-topic posts/threads: Since they tend to cause the most problems for other boards, our "off-topic" sub-forum is not an "anything goes" area. Absolutely no discussions of religion, immigration/border security, abortion, race matters, or any other hot-button political issues. (Gun-related political issues can be discussed in other areas.).

But here too the we have become more liberal in our interpretation of this rule, by allowing ever increasing latitude to the members in determining what subjects will be within the character of the community the forum has created. Obviously, there are some issues/subjects that do not lend themselves to bright-line rules, but we (Moderators) err on the side of allowing a discussion when there is doubt. Occasionally we see threads that start off fine, then deteriorate resulting in either warnings or the locking of the thread. These too are rare. We understand that many issues are emotionally charged and when we enforce the forum rules it is to preserve the sense of community you members have created, not an attack on anyone's beliefs or opinions.

I received a PM from a member who no longer feels welcome at TexasCHLforum because he describes himself as more liberal than what he believes to be the average TexasCHLforum member. At his request, his registration has been de-activated. I hate to lose any member for any reason, but I must confess that I’m just a little offended by his comment. First, let me say that liberals, moderates, conservatives and everyone falling somewhere in the middle of those labels are absolutely welcome at TexasCHLforum. Further, I think we the members and the Moderators have made that abundantly clear. I have had private “conversations” as well as public posts with members who describe themselves as liberals and libertarians and while we may disagree on some, perhaps many, political issues, we share a mutual respect for each other and a common goal of promoting gun rights to everyone, regardless of their party affiliation, or lack thereof. This is the very foundation of the TexasCHLforum – a strong commitment to supporting the Second Amendment and showing respect to one another regardless of our differences on other issues.

I truly believe that many who claim that “nothing but conservative opinions are welcome here” are upset that their personal opinions are not more widely shared here on the forum. But this is not a matter of their opinions not being welcome, they simply are not in the majority. It would take only a few minutes for me to find boards where my conservative, Christian, Texan opinions would surely fall in the minority. I would judge whether or not my opinions were “welcome” based upon the type of reaction I received. In my view, it is a personal attack, not respectful disagreement, that is a sign one is not welcome.

Chas.

[Abraham]

frazzled,

I can see you might think I aimed that you - Nope!

I was aiming it at all the respectful twains here that'll never meet.

In other words: Everyone!

But, since I've gone on to add more, I'll add even more: In my twenties I was as a liberal. I voted for Sissy Farenthold for Governor and Eugene McCarthy for President.

Now, I'm an evolved conservative, and laugh at most liberal naivety, (like socialism is a reasonable idea and so on...) but retain a few old liberal ideas i.e., I think prostitution and drugs should be legally available to adults, but not in residential neighborhoods or near schools.

If you want to be self destructive, have at it, it's your life.

My drug of choice is the occasional single malt scotch at home and hookers don't tempt me in the least.

Blech!

But, that's me - You want something different, fine.

Now, I told you, get-off-my-lawn!

[frazzled]

Clearly this thread needs to deviate and pronto to this:

Single malt scotch is fine. However I prefer a nice dark rum, or lighter rum and water myself.

[chamberc]

Clearly this thread needs to deviate and pronto to this:

Single malt scotch is fine. However I prefer a nice dark rum, or lighter rum and water myself.

Agree... it's a thread that won't change anyone's stance. We do at least share common ground on 2nd Amendment rights.

[Pete92FS]

frazzled,

My drug of choice is the occasional single malt scotch at home and hookers don't tempt me in the least.

Single Malt beats blended hands down IMHO. As far as the hookers go I think Mrs. Pete92FS would have something to say about that!

[chamberc]

frazzled,

My drug of choice is the occasional single malt scotch at home and hookers don't tempt me in the least.

Single Malt beats blended hands down IMHO. As far as the hookers go I think Mrs. Pete92FS would have something to say about that!

Cheers to that, count me as a MacAllan fan.

[android]

My drug of choice is the occasional single malt scotch...

Sorry, but I really think the entire state should be dry and nobody should fall under the clutches of demon liquor. You can't be trusted to not get drunk on Saturday night and it will make you too hung over to make it to church on Sunday morning.



Ha! Just kidding...

Not fond of Scotch, but Jameson's Irish Whiskey is mighty fine!