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I had a good friend wen I was on the PD tell me this story:

They were working an accident between a car and motorcycle. Luckily the rider wasn't seriously hurt. When they questioned the elderly man about what he saw coming when he looked to pull out, he responded 'All I saw coming was a motorcycle.' :roll:

When I rode (years ago), had my share of close calls with cars, and going down due to slick pavement or gravel. I decided I needed to give it up after working a very bad fatality motorcycle accident. That was in an area where there was no a lot of traffic. You couldn't pay me enough personally to ride in the DFW area with the amount of aggressive and idiotic drivers we have here. I may not have many brains, but I want to keep the little bit that I DO have! :lol:

With that said, I am not knocking motorcycles and those that ride, it is just a personal choice not to ride myself. Those riders that are conscientious and safe I admire, but you can still get caught by the crazies. I just lost a friend late last year to a crash where an elderly man pulled out in front of him and he T-boned the door post. Inertia comes into effect and the body generally looses the fight with a solid non-movable object. :sad:
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By the way if anyone wants to go riding in BCS area sometime shoot me a PM or reply here and we'll do it.
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The Annoyed Man wrote:
KBCraig wrote:There is some debate about Snell v. DOT ratings. I tend to side with Snell, but the argument is interesting.

The argument says that Snell is a high speed racing standard, designed for impact at speed. The shell is stronger, but the padding is firmer, meaning it can actually transfer more energy to your noggin. A DOT-spec helmet is designed for lower speed impact, has softer padding, and will (theoretically) transfer less energy at speeds it was designed for.
It is true that there is such an argument, but I can offer the following personal anecdotes:

1. My lowest speed get off was at 0 mph. I was sitting feet down on my bike in the middle of an intersection, with an oncoming car which was slowing and signaling a right hand turn, waiting for him to make his right turn before I made my left turn. A 16 year old driver, reaching for a fallen tape on the floor of his car, rear ended me going 25-30 mph. My bike was launched across the intersection onto the sidewalk. I went up in the air maybe 2-3 ft above the car and came down next to the left side passenger door, where his left rear tire ran over the back of my head. I was knocked out cold, and there was a large tire mark across the back of my helmet. I was wearing a Snell rated Shoei. I awoke laying in the street, staring straight up, with a circle of faces all looking down at me. I had a pretty nasty leg injury, but my head was OK.

2. My next lowest speed get off was at probably under 10 mph in the parking lot of the Rose Bowl in California. I was wearing a Snell rated Arai helmet. I was turning and apparently rolled my front tire through a small oil or sand patch I didn't see, and it was like somebody yanked the bike out from under me in a low side. My head and shoulder hit the pavement first. The only way I can describe the impact was that my head was struck a mighty blow. I remember thinking at the time "MY GOD!" The impact was tremendous, but I never lost consciousness, and I never exhibited any symptoms of a concussion.

3. A friend of mine killed himself in a sort of freak accident riding his Moto Guzzi on the Angeles Crest Highway when he took too tight of an inside line on a turn, leaned waaaaaaaaayyyyy over, and collected a snow marker pole on the crown of his DOT rated Nolan helmet. The pole pretty much caved in the helmet and his skull underneath it. Knowing the turn in which it happened, I would guess his speed to have been somewhere between 65-80 mph.

FWIW, my opinion is that the argument about Snell versus DOT ratings in high and low speed impacts is largely academic. In my personal experience, a Snell rated helmet has saved my own life in a low speed impact, and a DOT rated helmet has killed a friend in a high speed impact. I wouldn't wear anything other than a Snell rated helmet. Can you get killed wearing one? Sure. But the odds are better in your favor than with a DOT rating. BTW, it is my understanding that the DOT rating is mandatory for ALL helmets sold for street use in the U.S. "DOT" stands for "Department of Transportation." Thus, your Snell rated helmet must pass a DOT test in order to be sold in the U.S., but a DOT only rated helmet might not pass the Snell test. OTH, DOT only rated helmets, while street legal, generally cost less than Snell rated helmets because the manufacturers pass the added expense of both the Snell rated construction AND the actual Snell sticker along to the consumer. So it boils down to a simple question, "What is your head worth to you?"

I don't believe that bikes are particularly inherently dangerous, but the world in which you ride them IS. Wisdom and discretion would seem to dictate buying the best protection you can get, and chalking it up to the price of admission. That's just my 2¢.
One more item regarding Snell vs. DOT is that the last I checked (that would be when I got into riding in 2003), a major difference is that Snell requires testing of helmet models and then, I believe, periodic retesting. Being a government organization, DOT uses the honor system and then will randomly select some models for testing, so a helmet design bearing a DOT label may have never been tested. That being said, I don't think there is a huge difference in protection between a $200 and a $600 helmet that meet the same standards, particuarly if the $200 helmet fits better than the $600 helmet.
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txmatt wrote:That being said, I don't think there is a huge difference in protection between a $200 and a $600 helmet that meet the same standards, particuarly if the $200 helmet fits better than the $600 helmet.
That would be true, as long as both are Snell rated. It's been a few years since I last bought a helmet, so I no longer know what lower end Snell rated helmets go for these days. The last one I bought for myself, a Shoei, went for about $240.00, which at the time made it a mid priced helmet. But if past experience is any guide, at the low end, you get a functional helmet that will protect your head. Add in ventilation and higher quality linings, and you get a mid priced helmet. Add in the racer replica or custom graphics, and you get the higher priced helmets. But it is true that a $200 Snell helmet will protect you just as effectively as a $600 Snell helmet.
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gregthehand wrote:So who makes a good cool riding jacket that still offers a lot of protection?
Greg, I've got a Dainese Nevada perforated leather jacket. Despite being black, it keeps me surprisingly cool during the summer (I wear full gear no matter if it's 100 degrees or 30 degrees). I really recommend it, but unfortunately I can't seem to find that particular model on the cyclegear website anymore...
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Ok here are the pictures as promised.

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Everyone kept calling me that day while I was trying to learn to ride.

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Finally on the move and going slow...

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I gotta get rid of this belly so it's not so blatent driving down the road!!! By the way I bought a helmet the next day. That day we were just tooling around the field in front of the house at about 15-25 mph and on grass. I did lay it over once about 6 mph but nothing too bad.
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:eek6 :bigmouth NO HELMET!!!! Least you have one now. :grumble

And shorts too..... :banghead:

Looks good though. Hope you get as much out of it as you can. Look like fun. Gratz on the purchase. :thumbs2:
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I know I know.... Like I said we were just tooling around in a circle in that field. Nothing more than 25 mph.
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Ok my helmet is supposed to get here today but I got my jacket the other day and had to try it on! One of my guys took a picture with his swanky new I-phone and it turned out good so I though I would share it here!

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