A Ukraine post....

[parabelum]

Putin is playing poker (badly in my opinion) with his own Country and people. Only after Beograd was bombed and Serbian Air Force neutralized did we in BiH, Croatia, Slovenia, Kosovo and Macedonia begin to breathe and the mass genocide, war crimes and slaughter of innocent people stopped.
How much does the rad level have to go up in Eastern Europe for NATO to act? 100? 1000? How many thermobaric bombs does Putin need to drop on civilian infrastructure for any meaningful action to take place? He has crossed many lines already, and will continue until or unless he is stopped. And it ain’t gonna be without force, in my experience and opinion.
As far as not getting US involved, I’ll just say Budapest memorandum.

[Paladin]

...So we have a leader with early onset dementia and Russia is being run by a paranoid maniac. Good lord we are all in trouble.

Couldn't agree more. It seems this is already evolving into Cold War 2.0... before it goes WW3 I hope that a sensible diplomatic solution can be made.

[Ruark]

More news from prople in Ukraine. We have a close family friend who immigrated here from Ukraine about 8 years ago. Her parents and two sisters still live over there, in Kharvov, on the outskirts of town. She's been talking to them every day. They pretty much mirror what my wife's cousin, also in Kharkov, has been saying. They want to leave the area and go to western Ukraine, where it's a little quieter, but they can't. The violent Ukrainian nationalists have been blocking the streets, preventing people from leaving. One of her neighbors got in a car and tried to make a run for it, but the Ukranians started shooting at the car and they had to turn around or be killed. The Russians have created several "evacuation corridors" that most refugees have been using, but you still have to get from your home to the corridor. Her parents are elderly and afraid to go outside, for fear the Ukranians will shoot at them from nearby rooftops. Otherwise, they are OK; they have food, water and utilities.
All of them are desperately waiting for the Russians to clear out the nationalists. They're very frustrated and angry at the distorted reports in the western media. They're scared, because they feel it's all about oil and politics, and nobody cares about everyday people.
We will be talking with my wife's cousin, Svetlana, again tomorrow morning via Skype, in east central Kharkov.

[Paladin]

Apparently the criminals were first in line for the free AK's being handed out in Ukraine

One more reason why having an organized militia before an invasion is so important.

[Blackhorse1]

Ukraine needs to go to russia while the fox isn't at the hen house and give them some of the same treatment. Starting with Putin's la casa. Kill everyone in sight and keep doing it and don't stop. They won't have enough fuel to get back to fight you. He would probably be outnumbered if they did it in force and deliberate. Get in then move out go thru another hole in their outhouse country. Kill everyone as fast as you can then move on again. See how those SOB's like it. Who ya gonna call then?. Putski? Sorry, he's out...Kill em all.

[03Lightningrocks]

Well Now! Just stroll right up to Putins house and start shooting? Sounds like a plan. Maybe catch him off guard. While he is working in the garage on his car.

[Blackhorse1]

No, he'll have a prisoner under gun point doing that, G.I. JOE. What's wrong going to his house uninvited. You jealous you're not invited? Look G.I. JOE, if you don't like my comments just pass on by and don't look back. I don't owe you any apologies that you like Putin. All I'm insinuating is you do like the way he does business and I don't. Chill out man. You'll be ok. I just like to take care of business a little different. You do you and I'll do me. Maybe we'll have a beer someday and forget about all this. You in?

[03Lightningrocks]

I'm just saying you don't get close to a guy like Putin. He is protected at all levels. It is going to take someone from inside his circle to turn on him to take out Putin.

[parabelum]

Power to the Ukrainian People! May they drive the Russian invaders back where they came from.
If they invaded our Country one street and one county equivalent at the time and we the Patriots fought back, we’d be labeled “Nationslists” as well. Don’t believe Pravda.

[03Lightningrocks]

Power to the Ukrainian People! May they drive the Russian invaders back where they came from.
If they invaded our Country one street and one county equivalent at the time and we the Patriots fought back, we’d be labeled “Nationslists” as well. Don’t believe Pravda.

Again, the media is typically lying scum bags but word is leaking out of Russian soldiers raping, torturing and killing innocent women and children. Maybe it is time we get more involved. How we can sit by while Russian soldiers commit war crimes like this is beyond me. Pure evil!

Situations like this are a good reminder of what the real reason for our 2nd amendment is all about. Contrary to what leftist scum like Joe Biden think, It ain't about hunting. Many of these innocent victims are not armed and have no way to fight back.

[parabelum]

Power to the Ukrainian People! May they drive the Russian invaders back where they came from.
If they invaded our Country one street and one county equivalent at the time and we the Patriots fought back, we’d be labeled “Nationslists” as well. Don’t believe Pravda.

Again, the media is typically lying scum bags but word is leaking out of Russian soldiers raping, torturing and killing innocent women and children. Maybe it is time we get more involved. How we can sit by while Russian soldiers commit war crimes like this is beyond me. Pure evil!

Situations like this are a good reminder of what the real reason for our 2nd amendment is all about. Contrary to what leftist scum like Joe Biden think, It ain't about hunting. Many of these innocent victims are not armed and have no way to fight back.

Spot on. And mind you, Commie invaders are not doing so great in toe to toe combat, even against 14 year old Ukrainian children, so…they shifted to more barbaric air and long range missile attacks against the civilians. Cowards.

[puma guy]

Power to the Ukrainian People! May they drive the Russian invaders back where they came from.
If they invaded our Country one street and one county equivalent at the time and we the Patriots fought back, we’d be labeled “Nationslists” as well. Don’t believe Pravda.

Again, the media is typically lying scum bags but word is leaking out of Russian soldiers raping, torturing and killing innocent women and children. Maybe it is time we get more involved. How we can sit by while Russian soldiers commit war crimes like this is beyond me. Pure evil!

Situations like this are a good reminder of what the real reason for our 2nd amendment is all about. Contrary to what leftist scum like Joe Biden think, It ain't about hunting. Many of these innocent victims are not armed and have no way to fight back.

Spot on. And mind you, Commie invaders are not doing so great in toe to toe combat, even against 14 year old Ukrainian children, so…they shifted to more barbaric air and long range missile attacks against the civilians. Cowards.

Do some research and you'll find eastern Ukraine has been under assault from the Russians for a long time.

[parabelum]

Power to the Ukrainian People! May they drive the Russian invaders back where they came from.
If they invaded our Country one street and one county equivalent at the time and we the Patriots fought back, we’d be labeled “Nationslists” as well. Don’t believe Pravda.

Again, the media is typically lying scum bags but word is leaking out of Russian soldiers raping, torturing and killing innocent women and children. Maybe it is time we get more involved. How we can sit by while Russian soldiers commit war crimes like this is beyond me. Pure evil!

Situations like this are a good reminder of what the real reason for our 2nd amendment is all about. Contrary to what leftist scum like Joe Biden think, It ain't about hunting. Many of these innocent victims are not armed and have no way to fight back.

Spot on. And mind you, Commie invaders are not doing so great in toe to toe combat, even against 14 year old Ukrainian children, so…they shifted to more barbaric air and long range missile attacks against the civilians. Cowards.

Do some research and you'll find eastern Ukraine has been under assault from the Russians for a long time.

[mrvmax]

More news from prople in Ukraine. We have a close family friend who immigrated here from Ukraine about 8 years ago. Her parents and two sisters still live over there, in Kharvov, on the outskirts of town. She's been talking to them every day. They pretty much mirror what my wife's cousin, also in Kharkov, has been saying. They want to leave the area and go to western Ukraine, where it's a little quieter, but they can't. The violent Ukrainian nationalists have been blocking the streets, preventing people from leaving. One of her neighbors got in a car and tried to make a run for it, but the Ukranians started shooting at the car and they had to turn around or be killed. The Russians have created several "evacuation corridors" that most refugees have been using, but you still have to get from your home to the corridor. Her parents are elderly and afraid to go outside, for fear the Ukranians will shoot at them from nearby rooftops. Otherwise, they are OK; they have food, water and utilities.
All of them are desperately waiting for the Russians to clear out the nationalists. They're very frustrated and angry at the distorted reports in the western media. They're scared, because they feel it's all about oil and politics, and nobody cares about everyday people.
We will be talking with my wife's cousin, Svetlana, again tomorrow morning via Skype, in east central Kharkov.

I have watched videos of the Unkriane Nationalists doing this, the situation is much more complex than most people understand. I am on neither side, both sides are wrong in things they are doing.

[mrvmax]

I'm just saying you don't get close to a guy like Putin. He is protected at all levels. It is going to take someone from inside his circle to turn on him to take out Putin.

Yep, an ex KGB guy who is head of the country is not going to be easy to kill. This is not a Hollywood movie, it is pretty unrealistic to think it could easily be done.