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I've thought about "making" my own ethanol free gas for my mower and Stihl multitool motor. It's not difficult to do, but some equipment would make it so simple. I'm sure some of our chemists here can confirm this. I'm considering getting a separatory funnel and stand to do this. Since ethanol attracts water all one needs to do is mix in a cup or more of water to a half gallon of E-10 or E15 gas, shake to mix well, then just let it sit for several hours. The heavier water/ethanol mix will settle to the bottom, while the nearly pure lighter gasoline will remain at the top. Then, in my plan, I would just let the water/ethanol mix out the bottom of the separatory funnel until only the gasoline remained. There would be an easily visible line of separation. The only thing holding me up at this time is what to do with the water/ethanol mixture. It is still flammable and I don't know how I would get rid of it yet.
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30 years ago we would have poured it on fire ant mounds.C-dub wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:15 pm I've thought about "making" my own ethanol free gas for my mower and Stihl multitool motor. It's not difficult to do, but some equipment would make it so simple. I'm sure some of our chemists here can confirm this. I'm considering getting a separatory funnel and stand to do this. Since ethanol attracts water all one needs to do is mix in a cup or more of water to a half gallon of E-10 or E15 gas, shake to mix well, then just let it sit for several hours. The heavier water/ethanol mix will settle to the bottom, while the nearly pure lighter gasoline will remain at the top. Then, in my plan, I would just let the water/ethanol mix out the bottom of the separatory funnel until only the gasoline remained. There would be an easily visible line of separation. The only thing holding me up at this time is what to do with the water/ethanol mixture.It is still flammable and I don't know how I would get rid of it yet.
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Yeah and I think I still have some malathion around here somewhere.03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:22 pm30 years ago we would have poured it on fire ant mounds.C-dub wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:15 pm I've thought about "making" my own ethanol free gas for my mower and Stihl multitool motor. It's not difficult to do, but some equipment would make it so simple. I'm sure some of our chemists here can confirm this. I'm considering getting a separatory funnel and stand to do this. Since ethanol attracts water all one needs to do is mix in a cup or more of water to a half gallon of E-10 or E15 gas, shake to mix well, then just let it sit for several hours. The heavier water/ethanol mix will settle to the bottom, while the nearly pure lighter gasoline will remain at the top. Then, in my plan, I would just let the water/ethanol mix out the bottom of the separatory funnel until only the gasoline remained. There would be an easily visible line of separation. The only thing holding me up at this time is what to do with the water/ethanol mixture.It is still flammable and I don't know how I would get rid of it yet.
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Yeah the ethanol likes to bind with water. So over time it'll bind with moisture in the air. Gas will go bad on its own, we didn't need to put stuff in it to make it do it faster. It is why I buy the canisters of pre-mix for me weedeater and chainsaw because it was ethanol free and I don't use enough to need to mix big batches where cost comes more into it.dlh wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 6:27 pm Ethanol-free gas is the only gas I run in my three lawnmowers. Good stuff.
Several lawn-mower mechanics recommend it too, especially if your lawn-mowers "sit" over the winter.
They start right back up in the Spring when I leave ethanol-free gas in them over the winter. Not so much with ethanol gas--something about the ethanol separating over time and doing bad stuff to the carburetors. Costs more but well-worth it.
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Hmmm, I still don't think I could just pour it down the sink or flush it though.
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Well you could. But then you would be drinking it in a month or so after it cycled through the water treatment plant.
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Buckee's in Katy is about $1 more per gallon.
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IMHO, some of you guys have your priorities all screwed up. Looking for a gas station that is Ethanol free? That is not how to choose a gas station. For me it depends on the time of day. Morning fill up? Who has the best coffee? Mid day fill up? Which place has the best hot dogs. Late afternoon? Who sells beer the cheapest.
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^^^As a father of three young kids, mine is who has the cleanest restrooms. Buc-ees always wins that one, and full length stall doors to combat the nosey types.
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I think most are selecting ethanol free for small engines, not where to go for normal stops. That's all i use it for.03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 9:19 pm IMHO, some of you guys have your priorities all screwed up. Looking for a gas station that is Ethanol free? That is not how to choose a gas station. For me it depends on the time of day. Morning fill up? Who has the best coffee? Mid day fill up? Which place has the best hot dogs. Late afternoon? Who sells beer the cheapest.
I'm not paying the premium for ethanol free on the car with fuel injection.
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I'm liable to do that tomorrow and drop a match on top. Some might be surprised how long a fire ant mound will burn. Can't be fire ants without being on fire. Don't know if it works to get rid of them but it makes me feel better.03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:22 pm
30 years ago we would have poured it on fire ant mounds.
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Bill, the Bucee's in League City and on I-45 both have ethanol free gasoline.
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Gasoline is a complex blend of many petroleum constituents, plus additives and goes through an extensive QA process for many qualities. I'd check the octane and other qualities before using it especially in a car. Probably simpler to by ethanol free gas. I've read of using aviation gas mixed with regular, but that would be a tedious project with out access to a research and motor octane engine. Also, while I'm not a pilot, I believe the fuel air mixture for plane engines is different than mogas engines. Jets and turbo prop engine use Jet fuel (basically high quality kerosene) so don't confuse it with avgas for cylinder engines.C-dub wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 6:15 pm</s>
I've thought about "making" my own ethanol free gas for my mower and Stihl multitool motor. It's not difficult to do, but some equipment would make it so simple. I'm sure some of our chemists here can confirm this. I'm considering getting a separatory funnel and stand to do this. Since ethanol attracts water all one needs to do is mix in a cup or more of water to a half gallon of E-10 or E15 gas, shake to mix well, then just let it sit for several hours. The heavier water/ethanol mix will settle to the bottom, while the nearly pure lighter gasoline will remain at the top. Then, in my plan, I would just let the water/ethanol mix out the bottom of the separatory funnel until only the gasoline remained. There would be an easily visible line of separation. The only thing holding me up at this time is what to do with the water/ethanol mixture. It is still flammable and I don't know how I would get rid of it yet.
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