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Re: CA:New law to prevent secret recordings of conversations with Planned Parenthood

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Abraham wrote:Thanks TAM, but you're post doesn't address my question...why do the remaining there, STAY there?

Gorgeous geography doesn't explain remaining in a fascist state or does it?

Are the remaining all fascists, super duper, PC fanatics?

Forgive my rant please...

I'm terribly frustrated as to why people are so deluded as to be part of a disgusting state bunch of fascists.

P.S. I'm sure not all are so. Especially the inland. Maybe a fund for helping the refugees of this fascist state come to freedom, instead of Syrian questionables...?
That answer is a little simplistic........

I came here with my job, so it was easy to make the transition. I sold a home in Pasadena in 2006, right at the height of a real estate bubble (it burst just two weeks after I sold), for more than 3 times what I had paid for it in 1999. It was crazy, but I'm not going to turn down a profit like that. But I arrived here cash-rich and already had a job here. So I paid cash for my house, and everything was an upside.

But, jobs aside, for those people who were still there just 3 weeks after I left, who might have been inclined to leave if they could, all of a sudden they were upside down in their mortgages and couldn't afford to sell, even if they had employment opportunities here (or anywhere else outside of California for that matter). So that alone is a big stumbling block.

Also, there's a frequent generalization made about California's voter base that doesn't describe the actual situation. California is a lot like Texas, in that a very large part of Texas's population (according to the 2010 census) is centered in the cities of Dallas (1,197,816), Fort Worth (741,206), Houston (2,099,451), Austin (790,390), San Antonio (1,327,407), El Paso (649,121), and a few others. Those Californian cities — San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose, Los Angeles, San Bernardino, San Diego, etc., like ours, also tend to be where liberal politics are found. But the rest of the population in California is like the rest of the population in Texas - rural and fairly conservative. There just aren't enough of them left there to make a difference.

That could be US in a few short years if too many people leave California (and New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and other democrat dominated states) to move here for job reasons - but that is a different discussion. Suffice it to say that California's rural regions don't vote the same way as people do in the cities. Why? Because they understand hard work and the actual value of a dollar. But they may also be unable to leave for various reasons - such as the above example of upside down mortgage loans. It's just not that simple to up and leave...... EVEN if you do it the way that I did it, with a profitably sold home, and an already existing job here. It's difficult and complicated.
rexmitchell wrote:Short answer, yes. They like being told what to do by their government and be able to blame someone else for their problems. No different than liberals elsewhere, they just have a majority there. If they wanted to change it they could, but they don't. The real problem is the people from there moving here and trying to turn Texas into a toilet like California is.
See what I said about population distribution above. Yes, the people in the cities probably are that way, but there are large swathes of the rural population that are not, but they are also either too invested in what they're doing to leave, or they are financially upside down and can't leave.

By the way, the northern half of the state - above the bay area - has an ongoing independence movement to secede from California and create a new state called Jefferson. That movement is largely rural in nature, and if it every succeeds, Jefferson will be a state largely dominated by rural residents instead of metropolitan residents.

But the situation for a lot of people who don't like what is happening to their state, but they don't pick up and leave, is a lot more complicated than the simple question of "why don't they just pick up and leave".
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Re: CA:New law to prevent secret recordings of conversations with Planned Parenthood

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The Annoyed Man wrote: But the situation for a lot of people who don't like what is happening to their state, but they don't pick up and leave, is a lot more complicated than the simple question of "why don't they just pick up and leave".
I speak as one who fled the socialist state of Massachusetts that its hard to leave if you have a great job, or if you don't have any money, real difficult to leave family.

Arizona is a state that wishes that more would stay home. They have turned some formerly conservative areas like Phoenix and Tuscon into communist states
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Liberty wrote:Arizona is a state that wishes that more would stay home. They have turned some formerly conservative areas like Phoenix and Tuscon into communist states
Phoenix and Tucson are conservative meccas compared to Flagstaff, which is a beautiful city, but seems to be Arizona's "Berkeley".
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Re: CA:New law to prevent secret recordings of conversations with Planned Parenthood

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Thanks TAM.

It does take great courage, but I know people who've simply picked up and left. Me for one.

Another 'pick up and leave' person I know is my one time (in another location) next door neighbor who did just that. He just walked away from everything including his mortgage, job. He moved to Alaska.

Picking up and leaving can be done, but yes, the hurdles to do so are many...

Of course, I don't want uber-libs coming from any of the socialist states such as Cal/Mass/Ny etc., to infect us with their political disease while trying to re-create the political milieu they came from. I know most liberals are absolutely convinced they know how to run everyone's lives no matter what they destroy in their pursuit of utopia for all right thinking (pun?) PC addled folk. I hope all the libs remain in Cal/Mass/Ny etc., keeping their sewerage among themselves to wallow in.
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