2 Navy Boats in Iranian Custody

[parabelum]

I probably shouldn't be so cynical but the timing of this just raises some questions in my mind. Add to it that one boat didn't tow the other. The big hoopla about how the Iranians captured them where they weren't supposed to be and then turned them over with a warning that we are pushing our luck (my words not a quote). To me it just fits Obama's narrative of us being the bad guys and everyone else are the good guys that the US owes and apology to.

It just doesn't pass the smell test to me.

I agree 100%.

To me this smells like a coordinated effort between our administration and Iran, a bit of smoke screen or a catalyst for certain things to pass if you will.

Too many things are not adding up here. Combine that with the timing of this event, and a clear tendency of this administration to engage in some rather bizarre actions that would lead a sane person to ask, just whose side is our POTUS actually on?

Now, couple that with senior advisor to POTUS Valerie Jarrett's Iranian sympathizing predilections, yep, it doesn't look good.

Conspiracy theory? Maybe. But, not being a conspiracy theorist under this dictator is really not an easy thing for me to do.

[powerboatr]

i just sent this to my rep Henrsarling
I keep finding more holes in the event.
the video of the "commander" apologizing for the boat crews actions was to well scripted. I am sure he was under the gun so to speak.
But still it just does not wash. Boat crews are highly trained, as they are in harms way ALOT. I doubt the young man was any higher than a 0-2 and seriously doubt he was that high in rank. Most likely he was a Senior or Master chief petty officer. But still he did what he was scripted or forced.
watch the videos of the others in the room as he speaks.



my letter.

As a 22 yer veteran of the US Navy, I find the events of the last two days to be a sham, cover up ad out and out deceit planned by our leaders.

I have deployed to the Persian gulf numerous times
and the shear number of Navy vessels and military aircraft in this region, makes it HIGHLY unlikely that these two patrol boats (with a range of 800-600 NM) both had propulsion system failures, and were left to their own devices. Both have twin diesel engines that drive water jets. Even if one engine had mechanical issues the other one would provide power to safely navigate and head to safer waters. If this had happened, the operational boat would have taken the disabled vessel in tow. It was reported both vessels had navigation failures and radio failures. I say this is simply to far fetched to believe. But again if both vessels navigation systems failed. the crew had satellite radio phones and could have reported in. OR used good old fashioned dead reckoning. Not to mention the 12-20 US navy ships in the region, plus the sea-lift command ships in the same body of water. Where was the over-watch in the E2 aircraft and AWACs that are airborne in the region? If these boats were to refuel, where as the refuel vessel? Where was the estimated 12 helicopter assets on the support ships for the Harry S Truman? Where were the helicopters and aircraft from the Truman? Where were the boats operational command when the boats supposedly went dark with radio failures? The Persian gulf is not that big.
It seems awfully convenient these crews were detained, the president said nothing and the Secretary of State magically ensures the release. Just in time for the SOU speech and the president touts great Iran relations.
Lastly, ask yourself in this day in age how many young people don't have their smartphone with them all the time? So I imagine at least one sailor did and could have used google to navigate back to safe waters.

[K.Mooneyham]

i just sent this to my rep Henrsarling
I keep finding more holes in the event.
the video of the "commander" apologizing for the boat crews actions was to well scripted. I am sure he was under the gun so to speak.
But still it just does not wash. Boat crews are highly trained, as they are in harms way ALOT. I doubt the young man was any higher than a 0-2 and seriously doubt he was that high in rank. Most likely he was a Senior or Master chief petty officer. But still he did what he was scripted or forced.
watch the videos of the others in the room as he speaks.



my letter.

As a 22 yer veteran of the US Navy, I find the events of the last two days to be a sham, cover up ad out and out deceit planned by our leaders.

I have deployed to the Persian gulf numerous times
and the shear number of Navy vessels and military aircraft in this region, makes it HIGHLY unlikely that these two patrol boats (with a range of 800-600 NM) both had propulsion system failures, and were left to their own devices. Both have twin diesel engines that drive water jets. Even if one engine had mechanical issues the other one would provide power to safely navigate and head to safer waters. If this had happened, the operational boat would have taken the disabled vessel in tow. It was reported both vessels had navigation failures and radio failures. I say this is simply to far fetched to believe. But again if both vessels navigation systems failed. the crew had satellite radio phones and could have reported in. OR used good old fashioned dead reckoning. Not to mention the 12-20 US navy ships in the region, plus the sea-lift command ships in the same body of water. Where was the over-watch in the E2 aircraft and AWACs that are airborne in the region? If these boats were to refuel, where as the refuel vessel? Where was the estimated 12 helicopter assets on the support ships for the Harry S Truman? Where were the helicopters and aircraft from the Truman? Where were the boats operational command when the boats supposedly went dark with radio failures? The Persian gulf is not that big.
It seems awfully convenient these crews were detained, the president said nothing and the Secretary of State magically ensures the release. Just in time for the SOU speech and the president touts great Iran relations.
Lastly, ask yourself in this day in age how many young people don't have their smartphone with them all the time? So I imagine at least one sailor did and could have used google to navigate back to safe waters.

Knowing just a bit about aircraft avionics systems, including transponders, I'll ask you this question. Wouldn't each of those boats been equipped with a transponder that had a separate battery-backup to continue broadcasting in case of power loss? I'm sure they would, but I'd like to confirm this with you.

[parabelum]

i just sent this to my rep Henrsarling
I keep finding more holes in the event.
the video of the "commander" apologizing for the boat crews actions was to well scripted. I am sure he was under the gun so to speak.
But still it just does not wash. Boat crews are highly trained, as they are in harms way ALOT. I doubt the young man was any higher than a 0-2 and seriously doubt he was that high in rank. Most likely he was a Senior or Master chief petty officer. But still he did what he was scripted or forced.
watch the videos of the others in the room as he speaks.



my letter.

As a 22 yer veteran of the US Navy, I find the events of the last two days to be a sham, cover up ad out and out deceit planned by our leaders.

I have deployed to the Persian gulf numerous times
and the shear number of Navy vessels and military aircraft in this region, makes it HIGHLY unlikely that these two patrol boats (with a range of 800-600 NM) both had propulsion system failures, and were left to their own devices. Both have twin diesel engines that drive water jets. Even if one engine had mechanical issues the other one would provide power to safely navigate and head to safer waters. If this had happened, the operational boat would have taken the disabled vessel in tow. It was reported both vessels had navigation failures and radio failures. I say this is simply to far fetched to believe. But again if both vessels navigation systems failed. the crew had satellite radio phones and could have reported in. OR used good old fashioned dead reckoning. Not to mention the 12-20 US navy ships in the region, plus the sea-lift command ships in the same body of water. Where was the over-watch in the E2 aircraft and AWACs that are airborne in the region? If these boats were to refuel, where as the refuel vessel? Where was the estimated 12 helicopter assets on the support ships for the Harry S Truman? Where were the helicopters and aircraft from the Truman? Where were the boats operational command when the boats supposedly went dark with radio failures? The Persian gulf is not that big.
It seems awfully convenient these crews were detained, the president said nothing and the Secretary of State magically ensures the release. Just in time for the SOU speech and the president touts great Iran relations.
Lastly, ask yourself in this day in age how many young people don't have their smartphone with them all the time? So I imagine at least one sailor did and could have used google to navigate back to safe waters.

Excellent points!

Thank you for your service and for your time putting together the letter you've sent!

[VMI77]

Matt Bracken Comments: https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress. ... n-on-iran/

I rarely pull out my dusty old trident, but in this case, here goes. I was a Navy SEAL officer in the 1980s, and this kind of operation (transiting small boats in foreign waters) was our bread and butter. Today, these boats both not only had radar, but multiple GPS devices, including chart plotters that place your boat’s icon right on the chart.

For an open-water transit between nations, the course is studied and planned in advance by the leaders of the Riverine Squadron, with specific attention given to staying wide and clear of any hostile nation’s claimed territorial waters. The boats are given a complete mechanical check before departure, and they have sufficient fuel to accomplish their mission plus extra. If, for some unexplainable and rare circumstance one boat broke down, the other would tow it, that’s why two boats go on these trips and not one! It’s called “self-rescue” and it’s SOP.

This entire situation is in my area of expertise. I can state with complete confidence that both Iran and our own State Department are lying. The boats did not enter Iranian waters. They were overtaken in international waters by Iranian patrol boats that were so superior in both speed and firepower that it became a “hands up!” situation, with automatic cannons in the 40mm to 76mm range pointed at them point-blank. Surrender, hands up, or be blown out of the water. I assume that the Iranians had an English speaker on a loudspeaker to make the demand. This takedown was no accident or coincidence, it was a planned slap across America’s face.

Just watch. The released sailors will be ordered not to say a word about the incident, and the Iranians will have taken every GPS device, chart-plotter etc off the boats, so that we will not be able to prove where our boats were taken.

[Beiruty]

Why the boats did not a make mayday call and got rescued, pronto. Navy Assets are everywhere.

[VMI77]

http://weaponsman.com/?p=28693

Looks like Bracken is right. The lying snake traitor is at it again.

The question could be answered by the several GPS devices on the boats. The Iranians, however, chose to retain them with the US State Department’s blessings, when it returned the crewmen. It’s unknown whether the Iranians returned the small arms and the cryptographic and communications equipment on the boats.

That the Iranians kept the GPS units suggests that our boats were in international waters. That no US ship or aircraft responded to defend them suggests that maybe they were not — or resources are just too thin in the region, after a decade of dismantling the Navy.

[parabelum]

I can't believe this is the same Country I came to nearly 18 years ago.


I pray that our Nation turns around and seeks wisdom from above.

[Richbirdhunter]

I can't believe this is the same Country I came to nearly 18 years ago.


I pray that our Nation turns around and seeks wisdom from above.

Post of the day!!

[parabelum]

This is statistically and tactically an impossible event, from everything I've read here and other outlets.

So, is this a case where these vessels were disabled via chip technology byway of someone somewhere giving out codes to the Iranians I wonder? Cars and aircraft can certainly be remotely disabled , same for vessels right?
I am having hard time deducting logical explanation for this that doesn't at least partially implicate our own Navy? I don't even want to go down that path of analysis, so the only other explanation is that we have an enemy within, at the Executive level.

[powerboatr]

This is statistically and tactically an impossible event, from everything I've read here and other outlets.

So, is this a case where these vessels were disabled via chip technology byway of someone somewhere giving out codes to the Iranians I wonder? Cars and aircraft can certainly be remotely disabled , same for vessels right?
I am having hard time deducting logical explanation for this that doesn't at least partially implicate our own Navy? I don't even want to go down that path of analysis, so the only other explanation is that we have an enemy within, at the Executive level.

pretty sure these boats like most military front line equipment is very hardened agaisnt emf or emp type technology to disable the engines
and i bet my left finger the propulsion system has a manual mode in the event the electronics go take a powder.

i would agree they blocked or jammed communications....but not able to shut down engines.

[Taypo]

1. At least one boat myseriously stopped moving and the backup boat was mysteriously unable to tow it....despite established process and procedure.

2. We've got a total lack of comms coming from those boats and no way to prove where they were. Even with the GPS getting yanked on the Iranian side, there are still tracks all over the place. Where are they?

3. The senior seaman on site gave a confession, veiled as an apology, to the Iranians, in what...less than 12 hours? That's a record...even for the Navy ;)

It''s a false flag. Too many things don't make sense...

[powerboatr]

1. At least one boat myseriously stopped moving and the backup boat was mysteriously unable to tow it....despite established process and procedure.

2. We've got a total lack of comms coming from those boats and no way to prove where they were. Even with the GPS getting yanked on the Iranian side, there are still tracks all over the place. Where are they?

3. The senior seaman on site gave a confession, veiled as an apology, to the Iranians, in what...less than 12 hours? That's a record...even for the Navy ;)

It''s a false flag. Too many things don't make sense...

i bet in whole the "commander" did what he was ordered to say...simple
count the number of people you see "sailors" during his apology
did the iranians threaten to kill or ??? they did what they needed to survive and gave out no classified info, so lets not condemn the young man. we know not what was the situation.
do we even know they were in iranian waters.
you can bet folks like us need to insist our leaders account for the event.
call and write and let them now we do not believe the bull story

[mojo84]

I can't believe this is the same Country I came to nearly 18 years ago.


I pray that our Nation turns around and seeks wisdom from above.

I promise you, our fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers are rolling in their graves wondering what is going on and for what did they fight. It's amazing how much damage can be done in a generation or two.

[Taypo]

1. At least one boat myseriously stopped moving and the backup boat was mysteriously unable to tow it....despite established process and procedure.

2. We've got a total lack of comms coming from those boats and no way to prove where they were. Even with the GPS getting yanked on the Iranian side, there are still tracks all over the place. Where are they?

3. The senior seaman on site gave a confession, veiled as an apology, to the Iranians, in what...less than 12 hours? That's a record...even for the Navy ;)

It''s a false flag. Too many things don't make sense...

i bet in whole the "commander" did what he was ordered to say...simple
count the number of people you see "sailors" during his apology
did the iranians threaten to kill or ??? they did what they needed to survive and gave out no classified info, so lets not condemn the young man. we know not what was the situation.
do we even know they were in iranian waters.
you can bet folks like us need to insist our leaders account for the event.
call and write and let them now we do not believe the bull story

I'm not condemning anybody. He did what he was told to do. To quote a really good movie...

"Who gave the order?"