Open carry "contact" by hot headed LEO.

[03Lightningrocks]

I never said it but I feel the officers behaved in a very professional manner and infringed on no rights. The only issue I have with the head shot is a higher probability of missing. I live in Plano and bet the cops here would have you face down on the ground and in cuffs under the exact same situation.

I have an idea, maybe we could talk ole Beiruty into giving it a try. I will volunteer to video it.

[E.Marquez]

Although open carry of a long gun is not illegal, you can be cited or arrested for disturbing the peace if someone makes the "man with a gun" call or so I've been told by a LEO buddy of mine (pro 2A). Especially if more than one person calls in frantically.

Sad situation that has been pushed into play quietly over the last couple of decades in attempts to do away with our 2A rights the anti's will go to any length to do so.

It hasn't helped that these idiots go around trying to gain attention and this attitude will, as stated above, keep us from getting OC.

As you describe it above. Your LEO friend would be taking liberty's in what the law says to effect a charge I believe.
"(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;"

If it can be observed and articulated the open carry was done in a manner calculated to alarm TPC 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT, might very well be used.

Some will say.. having a long gun outside of locked case, safe or the house is clearly displaying it in a manner calculated to alarm.. simple because they perceive the mere sight of a weapon scary, and think you should to..so you "displaying it" must be done to alarm..
Most reasonable people would not think that way... I hope.
What the responding LEO does is not going to be known until they get there and evaluate the whole situation I'd guess.

No, I did not say that HE would be doing this. I said that he told me it could be done. And yes, he also mentioned disorderly conduct as well.

Please read what was posted.... the text and tense...the whole of the post..

There were no disparaging remarks, content or intent in anything I posted directed against your friend...

I say again... IF, based on what YOU posted above.. your LEO friend cited someone for violation TPC42.01 based on the setup you posted... simply someone calling in a MWAG call.... it WOULD BE a stretch or outright fail to meet the intent of what the law states(I think in my opinion). That was my only point..

[suthdj]

I think one thing Beiruty was trying to say was if we have these OC of long gun laws on the books that allow what these people are doing why are we afraid of open carring them and yes many are afraid to because of the police interactions, is that not oppression? So if we are afraid to exercise our right to OC long guns then why not make that fearful action limited under the law. You know the saying "Use it or lose it" Don't mistake this as support for idiots doing stupid things. I see no reason to walk downtown USA with a long gun to make a point that is bad form, howeverr it is legal and should not draw any iteraction with police.

[03Lightningrocks]

Like it or not, we have to use common sense, regardless of what we "can get away with". We live in a time when young men raised on violent video games and no real parenting, are walking into places and opening up with gunfire. I cannot imagine a world in which the police see a person on the way to a "video game style slaughter" with a long gun and have to wait for the person to open fire before doing anything about it.

We are not going to lose the right unless we ABUSE the rights. The world does not exist in a suspended state of 1940 animation. There are far more people and far more incidences of senseless violence. What use to be rare has become a common occurrence. If these two clowns were walking towards a gun show or to some other legitimate firearm related situation with their shotgun and the police stopped them, I might feel some abuse of power was at play. But, when two guys are walking aimlessly down the street while toting a shotgun, it would be irresponsible of the police to ignore it. Simply stopping them to insure there is no danger makes sense to most folks.

[mojo84]

It's become a darned if they do and darned if they don't situation for the cops. I just want them to handle the situation properly and the officers in this video seemed to do fine.

[texanjoker]

I never said it but I feel the officers behaved in a very professional manner and infringed on no rights. The only issue I have with the head shot is a higher probability of missing. I live in Plano and bet the cops here would have you face down on the ground and in cuffs under the exact same situation.

I have an idea, maybe we could talk ole Beiruty into giving it a try. I will volunteer to video it.

[Beiruty]

I never said it but I feel the officers behaved in a very professional manner and infringed on no rights. The only issue I have with the head shot is a higher probability of missing. I live in Plano and bet the cops here would have you face down on the ground and in cuffs under the exact same situation.

I have an idea, maybe we could talk ole Beiruty into giving it a try. I will volunteer to video it.

Yeah, I would be slinging this one:

[03Lightningrocks]

I never said it but I feel the officers behaved in a very professional manner and infringed on no rights. The only issue I have with the head shot is a higher probability of missing. I live in Plano and bet the cops here would have you face down on the ground and in cuffs under the exact same situation.

I have an idea, maybe we could talk ole Beiruty into giving it a try. I will volunteer to video it.

Yeah, I would be slinging this one:

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That would be the perfect choice. I have my camera ready! I will bring the pressure cooker as well.

[mojo84]

Is that a Steyr Aug?

[mojo84]

I never said it but I feel the officers behaved in a very professional manner and infringed on no rights. The only issue I have with the head shot is a higher probability of missing. I live in Plano and bet the cops here would have you face down on the ground and in cuffs under the exact same situation.

I have an idea, maybe we could talk ole Beiruty into giving it a try. I will volunteer to video it.

Yeah, I would be slinging this one:

[ Image ]

That would be the perfect choice. I have my camera ready! I will bring the pressure cooker as well.

Don't forget to let the meat thermometer wire hang out of it.

[VMI77]

I think one thing Beiruty was trying to say was if we have these OC of long gun laws on the books that allow what these people are doing why are we afraid of open carring them and yes many are afraid to because of the police interactions, is that not oppression? So if we are afraid to exercise our right to OC long guns then why not make that fearful action limited under the law. You know the saying "Use it or lose it" Don't mistake this as support for idiots doing stupid things. I see no reason to walk downtown USA with a long gun to make a point that is bad form, howeverr it is legal and should not draw any iteraction with police.

What "right" are people talking about? There is no right to open carry a long gun in this State, nor is there any right to carry a concealed handgun. When you have to get the government's permission to do something it's a privilege, not a right, and it can be revoked at the government's pleasure. The State of Texas gives you permission to carry a handgun if you meet certain criteria. Whatever the law says, open carry of a long gun obviously requires the consent/permission of any police officer who challenges you. And the very fact that the majority of people on this pro-gun board are either afraid to open carry a long gun in a public place, or critical of those who do, further demonstrates that there is no such right to carry.

[RoyGBiv]

I never said it but I feel the officers behaved in a very professional manner and infringed on no rights. The only issue I have with the head shot is a higher probability of missing. I live in Plano and bet the cops here would have you face down on the ground and in cuffs under the exact same situation.

It looks to me like the officer stopped a citizen without RAS or PC (OC-guy was not doing anything illegal. Possession of a legal object is NOT sufficient for RAS or PC), threatened to shoot him in the head. The officer acknowledged that he knew the guy was just making a political point (which confirms that the officer didn't have RAS or PC to begin with). The OC guys are detained and threatened with being shot in the head.

What part of that is "professional" and "not infringing"?
How is this ok? Just because the officer was calm and in control about it?

Here's a good blog post from a LEO that says it better than me..
http://chiefweems.wordpress.com/2013/11 ... ifference/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[03Lightningrocks]

I never said it but I feel the officers behaved in a very professional manner and infringed on no rights. The only issue I have with the head shot is a higher probability of missing. I live in Plano and bet the cops here would have you face down on the ground and in cuffs under the exact same situation.

It looks to me like the officer stopped a citizen without RAS or PC (OC-guy was not doing anything illegal. Possession of a legal object is NOT sufficient for RAS or PC), threatened to shoot him in the head. The officer acknowledged that he knew the guy was just making a political point (which confirms that the officer didn't have RAS or PC to begin with). The OC guys are detained and threatened with being shot in the head.

What part of that is "professional" and "not infringing"?
How is this ok? Just because the officer was calm and in control about it?

Here's a good blog post from a LEO that says it better than me..
http://chiefweems.wordpress.com/2013/11 ... ifference/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is OK if it saves your children from being gunned down by a lunatic walking down the street of a modern city toting a shotgun as if he thinks it is Dodge city Kansas. These two guys were LOOKING for trouble....they found it.

[E.Marquez]

And the very fact that the majority of people on this pro-gun board are either afraid to open carry a long gun in a public place, or critical of those who do, further demonstrates that there is no such right to carry.

I know your not accurate in your statement as it applies to me, nor do I believe your accurate in your statements as it applies to most here

If you change the statement to "the majority of people on this pro-gun board are against the in your face aggressive open carry tactics employed by a minority of gun owners here in Texas".. I would agree.. If further stated the majority of people on this pro-gun board are of the understanding, in your face, aggressive open carry antics are counter productive to any possible positive outcome.. I would agree.

But I think you know that already.. and others can chime in for them selves should they choose to.

[RoyGBiv]

I never said it but I feel the officers behaved in a very professional manner and infringed on no rights. The only issue I have with the head shot is a higher probability of missing. I live in Plano and bet the cops here would have you face down on the ground and in cuffs under the exact same situation.

It looks to me like the officer stopped a citizen without RAS or PC (OC-guy was not doing anything illegal. Possession of a legal object is NOT sufficient for RAS or PC), threatened to shoot him in the head. The officer acknowledged that he knew the guy was just making a political point (which confirms that the officer didn't have RAS or PC to begin with). The OC guys are detained and threatened with being shot in the head.

What part of that is "professional" and "not infringing"?
How is this ok? Just because the officer was calm and in control about it?

Here's a good blog post from a LEO that says it better than me..
http://chiefweems.wordpress.com/2013/11 ... ifference/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is OK if it saves your children from being gunned down by a lunatic walking down the street of a modern city toting a shotgun as if he thinks it is Dodge city Kansas.

Hearing "There will be blood in the streets" from CHL-toters leaves me speechless. And a little saddened.

Just to confirm, you agree there was no RAS or PC, but are ok with LEO's actions regardless?