Oregon LEO's at odds w/medical pot users having CHL's.

[sjfcontrol]

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I thought this argument sounded familiar.

Wow man, I didn't remember that topic. Must be my prescription causing me to forget dude.

Wasn't that long ago, either.

[steveincowtown]

Uh oh....REEFER MADNESS!!

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I would take a pot head with a gun over any of the following with a gun:

Methhead
Drunk
Mentally Unstable
Someone on X,E, or other
Someone on Mushrooms
Someone on Coke
Someone on any number of legal prescriptions
A scorned woman (hell hath no fury you know...)
etc., etc.

I am not advocating pot or legalization thereof, but the reailty is that is gets way more negative attention than it desrves. The main problem with not legalizing in the US, is that instead of keeping the cash here at home we are funding the drug wars across the border.


***Edit to correct spelling...duh.

[sjfcontrol]

Uh oh....REEFER MADNESS!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_Madness" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I would take a pot head with a gun over any of the following with a gun:

Methhead
Drunk
Mentally Unstable
Someone on X,E, or other
Someone on Mushrooms
Someone on Coke
Someone on any number of legal prescriptions
A scroned woman (heck hath no fury you know...)
etc., etc.

I am not advocating pot or legalization thereof, but the reailty is that is gets way more negative attention than it desrves. The main problem with not legalizing in the US, is that instead of keeping the cash here at home we are funding the drug wars across the border.

1) Now come-on, he was always kind to Archie (But I never cared much for Rob Reiner.)
2) Used to be my favorite drink -- what's wrong with Coke (TM) ? (Too much sugar, perhaps?)
3) I don't know what a "scroned" woman is, perhaps you mean a "Sconed" woman? A woman who's eaten Scones?

[RottenApple]

Driving while stoned is nowhere near as bad as drunk driving. A guy doing 3mph down the highway while gnawing on the steering wheel isn't much of a threat to anybody.

[Ameer]

Does Oregon have a rule banning CHL to carry when intoxicated like Texas? Like DWI, it's not legal for a CHL in Texas to carry if they're high on prescription drugs or recreational drugs.

[steveincowtown]

3) I don't know what a "scroned" woman is, perhaps you mean a "Sconed" woman? A woman who's eaten Scones?

Spelling has since been corrected. I was actually referring to a shape of women, like pear shaped, hourglass, "sconed shaped", etc.


I would love any LEO to chime in on who they would rather have an encounter with. What are poeple "high" on when they are the most volatile?

I carry at my house whether I am having a beer or, well let’s just say more than one beer. House rules at my place are, no unholstering of a weapon after even one drink (to change holsters, put away, etc.) and the safe stays locked PERIOD. No show and tell, gun cleaning, etc.

No one should carry in public if they are impaired. Of course that means very different things for all folks. I have a friend who if she smelled alcohol would be a liability, and I have other friends that can drink all day and build a shed the Amish would be jealous of.

[The Annoyed Man]

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I thought this argument sounded familiar.

Same here.

[RttlTrap]

3) I don't know what a "scroned" woman is, perhaps you mean a "Sconed" woman? A woman who's eaten Scones?

Would that make her a sconer?

[A-R]

Driving while stoned is nowhere near as bad as drunk driving. A guy doing 3mph down the highway while gnawing on the steering wheel isn't much of a threat to anybody.

He is if he's a ...

ZOMBIE!!!!!!

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[DoubleJ]

I think it should fall into the intoxicated status of their state laws as it relates to firearms if they actually have a prescription for it. It should be just like carrying while taking any other prescription drug, and if you have loss of use of your faculties, then you should be charged with UCW.

werd.

And they've passed a similar law here in the "Great" NorthWest. They've also mandated (in Seattle) that MaryJ, and the possession and/or use thereof, while still technically a crime, should be the absolute lowest priority for an officer. Much further below urinating in public, and/or the ol' standard of robbery/murder.
you know, the crimes worth investigating. That's one of the few good things about the "progressive" nature up here.

oh, sure, there are all kinds of tree huggin' hippies around here just finding a way to get them their greenery, but the same is and can be said about Vicodin (which from a medical standpoint, I find much worse on the body).

Of course, there's the ol' argument about how the guy needs his weed to cope with the world, but when he's smoked out of his brain, he can't function, and therefore can't work, and therefore needs to be on welfare, and therefore can just sit at home and get blazed like he's Snoop Dogg.

but that's an argument for another day...

[Oldgringo]

Med weed is a sham...

There are those wo would say the DEA is a sham just as is the BATF...

...the comment has the feel of a cheap shot....

Oh my! Is someone having a bad day? If apologies are in order, please accept mine.

[Kythas]

I would love any LEO to chime in on who they would rather have an encounter with. What are poeple "high" on when they are the most volatile?
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Back in my day (which was many moons ago, mind you) the worst people to deal with were those on PCP. One Mardi Gras saw a guy on PCP take numerous hits from a tazer and not get fazed, and he was throwing cops twice his size off him like they were rag dolls. It took 11 of us to bum rush him, tackle him, and two guys on each arm to get them behind his back while the others struggled to hold him face down. We put two pairs of cuffs on him because we were afraid he'd break just one pair.

I also heard about a guy on PCP who caught his girlfriend in another guy's car. He punched through the windshield, breaking every bone in his hand, grabbed her and pulled her through the windshield face first. Last I heard she was on her second reconstructive facial surgery.

I haven't been a cop since 1994 and have no experience with anything that's come out since then, but that was the worst in my experience.

[Purplehood]

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I thought this argument sounded familiar.

Wow man, I didn't remember that topic. Must be my prescription causing me to forget dude.

I am getting the munchies.

[The Annoyed Man]

I think that medical marijuana is crap. It's just an excuse to smoke dope. The number of medical marijuana users who legitimately need this drug for legitimate medical reasons is a small percentage of the total number who have prescriptions for it, most of whom are just dead weight to the rest of society. And as a person who lives with real pain for medically quantifiable reasons, I resent them. They're full of crap. I've even seen pot dealers at places like Burning Man and other events tell police that they have "patients" not customers, and it is plainly just so much bull.

But, that said, there is something about this line of thought in Oregon that troubles me. I have a severe back problem. I mean, really, really severe. It's not just a bit of an ache or a twinge. I have a sort of standing order with refills and regularly take two drugs for relief of that pain, prescribed by my doctor. One is "Etodolac," which is a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory. The other is hydrocodone, an opiate. I usually, but not always, take them both together, and I use these drugs on more days than I do not. When I do, it is usually just once a day, but occasionally more than that. The Etodolac doesn't have any other perceptible effects than simply calming down inflammation. However, there is no denying that I can feel the effects of the hydrocodone. I'm not drunk or drowsy, or anything like that, but I can feel its relaxing effect and I can feel the pain washing away. I am not addicted. I can, and have done so many times, gone days without taking it if I'm not suffering any pain at the time, and I have no cravings when I don't take it. (All of my doctors have assured me at various times that people who are truly in pain tend not to actually get addicted. The addiction happens when they continue to take the drug because it feels good, after the source of the pain has been healed back to normal.)

Anyway, some people might argue that a guy like me shouldn't carry a gun. But it is my condition that most compels me to do so, because I don't really have any means of fleeing or fighting. For me, there isn't any "Plan B". This is my Plan A, B, and C. I am comfortable with my mental state and stability, so I would tell that person to butt out and mind their own business.

[RottenApple]

I think that medical marijuana is crap. It's just an excuse to smoke dope. The number of medical marijuana users who legitimately need this drug for legitimate medical reasons is a small percentage of the total number who have prescriptions for it, most of whom are just dead weight to the rest of society. And as a person who lives with real pain for medically quantifiable reasons, I resent them. They're full of crap. I've even seen pot dealers at places like Burning Man and other events tell police that they have "patients" not customers, and it is plainly just so much bull.

I agree with your overall premise, but I do know of one case in which it really is the best option for the patient. My wife is a home-care nurse and has an older gentleman who, sadly, recently became a double amputee (legs). His wounds are healing very slowly and he is in excruciating pain; Especially when his dressings are being changed. He is also allergic (verified allergies) to most forms of pain medication, and most of the ones he isn't allergic to either 1) are not covered by his insurance and he can't afford out of pocket, 2) too weak to even dull the pain, or 3) both 1 & 2. So his live-in sister provides his with pot to ease the pain and help him relax. He doesn't smoke it though. She bakes it into brownies for him. My wife's one rule: keep it away from her. She calls when she's about an hour away, he eats a brownie, and the rest go into hiding.

So while I agree that most (95% if I'm being generous) medical pot users are phonies, there are some people out there who are helped by it.