Shooting at Twin Peaks in Waco

[jmra]

Most of the time I dont feel the need to post here which is why I read and seldom post. I feel strongly enough that there is a lot wrong with everything that is being reported on this issue and am slightly confused at the overall sentiment on this forum.

You're being overly-sensitive - this isn't about bikers, this about gang-members who just HAPPEN to be bikers.

THIS^^.

[mojo84]

Ya may want to check your facts. Cossacks are not a 1% Club and do not wear a 1% patch

Where can we verify this?

[anygunanywhere]

Ya may want to check your facts. Cossacks are not a 1% Club and do not wear a 1% patch

Where can we verify this?

What difference does it make?

If someone gets their jollies looking, dressing, tattoing, smelling, sounding, and acting like an outlaw biker and hanging with them they ought to expect the worst when it happens.

If you lay with dogs don't be surprised when you get fleas.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[mojo84]

Ya may want to check your facts. Cossacks are not a 1% Club and do not wear a 1% patch

Where can we verify this?

What difference does it make?

If someone gets their jollies looking, dressing, tattoing, smelling, sounding, and acting like an outlaw biker and hanging with them they ought to expect the worst when it happens.

If you lay with dogs don't be surprised when you get fleas.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Just curious since he is stating published reports are wrong as if he knows for a fact they are not an outlaw biker gang. Seems like if someone is going to dispute what is widely reported, he shouldb provide support for his statement. I'm not defending the thugs in anyway.

[anygunanywhere]

Ya may want to check your facts. Cossacks are not a 1% Club and do not wear a 1% patch

Where can we verify this?

What difference does it make?

If someone gets their jollies looking, dressing, tattoing, smelling, sounding, and acting like an outlaw biker and hanging with them they ought to expect the worst when it happens.

If you lay with dogs don't be surprised when you get fleas.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Just curious since he is stating published reports are wrong as if he knows for a fact they are not an outlaw biker gang. I'm not defending the thugs in anyway.

The other day I heard the Bandidos' president on a radio segment state emphatically that they are not and never have been involved in any illegal activity and do not allow members who do. Mrs Anygun was driving and almost wrecked the Suburban she was laughing so hard.

Proves my point too.

[ELB]

The other day I heard the Bandidos' president on a radio segment state emphatically that they are not and never have been involved in any illegal activity and do not allow members who do...

They must kick out a lot of members on a regular basis then, because if you google "Bandidos" and "convictions" or "arrests" you sure get a lot of results...

[VMI77]

Booking photos:








http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-2 ... t-mugshots

[TVGuy]

Booking photos:


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-2 ... t-mugshots

170 photos and not a single smile!

[VMI77]

Booking photos:


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-2 ... t-mugshots

170 photos and not a single smile!

Not much of a fight either since only one of them shows any signs of being injured.

[cb1000rider]

Booking photos:

At least one of these guys is an employee of the City of Austin. At least one was ex-LEO (detective). As the city generally conducts background checks on their employees, either he's an effective criminal (hasn't been caught), doesn't have a serious criminal background, or maybe the biker thing isn't really an illegal occupation.

I'm kinda surprised that no one has pointed out that a number of these guys were probably carrying CHL. I guess all the CHLs could have been aspiring criminals that hadn't been caught yet, but one *might* want to consider that they are innocent until proven guilty and that maybe not all of them are living the outlaw lifestyle and earning illegally. Being at this location, riding a motorcycle, and wearing a patch is going to cost you 1M in bail - at least initially... And very likely some may well have deserved that, but I doubt all of them did.

It's such an odd situation - really lucky that no one else got hurt. Not a single LEO shot... But a bunch of bikers are dead. I dunno, just doesn't sit right with me, not that I wish ill on any outside party, but it just doesn't pass my smell test. Rounding them all up without consideration of who actually did what sure solves the problem at hand - but I'm not sure that showing up at Twin Peaks is exactly organized criminal activity.

I also believe that historically there is reasonable documentation on some parts of these groups being involved in some form of illegal activity. To me, that doesn't immediately hang the whole lot of them, but maybe I'm wrong... Anyone who has tried to run an organization with more than 20 people will know that you really can't control the actions of the entire group as it grows. At least one group had tried to counter the stereotype so well illustrated in posts above via doing various charity runs... I really don't know where the reality is between the historical Hells Angels and modern fictionalizations like Sons of Anarchy. Maybe they're all Really Bad Guys - but Twin Peaks in Waco isn't exactly keeping a low profile.


Yea, the mug shots don't leave them looking like good outstanding citizens.. I could point out that such grooming isn't exactly uncommon with the Harley crowd - and most of those guys that I've met have very legitimate day jobs... You need a reasonable job to afford a Harley. Most of them cost more than my car.

Last, I'd challenge you to compare those mugshots to the people that you see at WalMart on Any Given Sunday - personally, I think this bunch of bikers comes out ahead... :-)

[jmra]

Statistically very few if any of them would have CHLs.

[VMI77]

Booking photos:

At least one of these guys was an employee of the City of Austin. As the city generally conducts background checks on their employees, either he's an effective criminal (hasn't been caught), doesn't have a serious criminal background, or maybe the biker thing isn't really an illegal occupation.

I'm kinda surprised that no one has pointed out that a number of these guys were probably carrying CHL. I guess all the CHLs could have been aspiring criminals that hadn't been caught yet, but one *might* want to consider that they are innocent until proven guilty and that maybe not all of them are living the outlaw lifestyle and earning illegally. Being at this location, riding a motorcycle, and wearing a patch is going to cost you 1M in bail - at least initially... And very likely some may well have deserved that, but I doubt all of them did.

It's such an odd situation - really lucky that no one else got hurt. Not a single LEO shot... But a bunch of bikers are dead. I dunno, just doesn't sit right with me, not that I wish ill on any outside party, but it just doesn't pass my smell test. Rounding them all up without consideration of who actually did what sure solves the problem at hand - but I'm not sure that showing up at Twin Peaks is exactly organized criminal activity.

I also believe that historically there is reasonable documentation on some parts of these groups being involved in some form of illegal activity. To me, that doesn't immediately hang the whole lot of them, but maybe I'm wrong... Anyone who has tried to run an organization with more than 20 people will know that you really can't control the actions of the entire group as it grows. At least one group had tried to counter the stereotype so well illustrated in posts above via doing various charity runs... I really don't know where the reality is between the historical Hells Angels and modern fictionalizations like Sons of Anarchy. Maybe they're all Really Bad Guys - but Twin Peaks in Waco isn't exactly keeping a low profile.


Yea, the mug shots don't leave them looking like good outstanding citizens.. I could point out that such grooming isn't exactly uncommon with the Harley crowd - and most of those guys that I've met have very legitimate day jobs... You need a reasonable job to afford a Harley. Most of them cost more than my car.

Last, I'd challenge you to compare those mugshots to the people that you see at WalMart on Any Given Sunday - personally, I think this bunch of bikers comes out ahead... :-)

It doesn't pass the smell test. We both know the reason for the mass arrest: ease and convenience of the police. I prefer following the Constitution to making things easy for the police but most people apparently don't --until they get swept up in a dragnet like this or are otherwise injured by this kind of police action. We also both know that the vast majority of these guys will ultimately be released with charges dismissed, so the mass arrest is effectively collective punishment. This may be life ruining for some of these guys even if they committed no crime. Most are older...imagine the impact of going to jail and losing your job at their age, especially in this economy. Innocent until proven guilty.... "rlol." That's your grandpa's America.

I don't know, maybe they all "deserve" it. In any case, the legal system took a shortcut here, and that bothers me. It's analogous to the incident where the police blocked off and entire highway to find some bank robbers, and detained everyone for hours while they searched every vehicle. I think it stretches the concept of "probable cause" to claim that there was probable cause to arrest all 170 pictured. And bail is supposed to be related to the severity of the crime. All 170 committed equally severe crimes justifying $1 million bonds? Not likely.

[cb1000rider]

And why are they shutting down Harley Davidson of Waco? That place is so clean and well kept - I've never had an issue being in there with my family.
Someone explain that and banning all motorcycles... Smacks of overreaction.
Just the financial operating impact on Harley Davidson of Waco has to be huge - those are operating days without revenue and full business expense....

Clearly this scared the whole community (including the judicial branch)... I smell lawsuits though...

[treadlightly]

One of the arrested Cossacks is from my little town. Today at lunch he was a topic of conversation among the staff at a nice local burger joint where he apparently often ate lunch. He was always jolly and easy to get along with, and now he's charged with something involving capital murder. The burger joint in question is very nice and friendly, and not a "biker" haunt. It's just where you go to get the most addictive bacon cheeseburger you've ever had.

The local Cossacks were active in toy runs and food drives. Maybe they did less noble things, too, I have no information on that.

The trouble in Waco, though, was an easy prediction. There was speculation of imminent gunplay at the Legends shop a week or so before the Twin Peaks incident, a few Banditos beat the stuffing out of a Cossack at a gas station in Lorena a month or so ago, I believe it was Bandito who stabbed a Cossack outside a restaurant in El Paso in 2013 - can't remember exactly what I read about that - but it's not surprising violence eventually erupted in a big way.

From what I've read, the Banditos were charging dues to biker clubs who wanted Texas on their bottom rockers and were getting paid off by the Cossacks. Then, the Cossacks discovered that other Banditos "support clubs" weren't paying dues. My guess is they were carrying the freight by other means, but they weren't making cash payments. The Cossacks stopped paying, the Banditos were steamed, the Cossacks developed ties to Hell's Angels, the Banditos got more steamed, and eventually Twin Peaks happened.

And the local Honda shop has cancelled their dinner rides for the foreseeable future. I don't blame them. A bunch of nice regular guys on harmless bikes might well be a target in these troubled times. Me, I'm going to keep riding, probably little to none in Waco, but my front wheel has wanderlust. I'm going to follow it and see what it's up to.

[mojo84]

Ya may want to check your facts. Cossacks are not a 1% Club and do not wear a 1% patch

Where can we verify this?

What difference does it make?

If someone gets their jollies looking, dressing, tattoing, smelling, sounding, and acting like an outlaw biker and hanging with them they ought to expect the worst when it happens.

If you lay with dogs don't be surprised when you get fleas.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Just curious since he is stating published reports are wrong as if he knows for a fact they are not an outlaw biker gang. I'm not defending the thugs in anyway.

The other day I heard the Bandidos' president on a radio segment state emphatically that they are not and never have been involved in any illegal activity and do not allow members who do. Mrs Anygun was driving and almost wrecked the Suburban she was laughing so hard.

Proves my point too.

That doesn't make it a fact.