philip964 wrote:Very clear article with a little bit of good advice thrown in. A breath of fresh air from the press.
Cocked, unlocked, one in the pipe and no holster?
Who recommended that to him?
Very early in my membership here, there was a member who advocated for exactly that in one thread. Having myself seen the consequences of such idiocy up close and in person, I advised him that if he wanted to perforate his nether regions, by all means go ahead. But no screaming or complaining allowed.
He said that he had tested it by executing summersaults and such with the gun carried thusly. Darwin is alive and well.
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”
Many companies make clips that mount to the gun and go over a waistband or belt to hold the gun - holsterless - in place. My P3AT has such a clip, as does my Glock 22. The P3AT can be worn in drawstring exercise shorts and works fine/doesn't drag (I won't argue safe/not safe since there is an obvious culture gap here). The g22 clip is very handy for going outside to see what the dogs are barking at but you need as much of a belt as when the G22 is in the Simply Rugger Cuda holster I am using IWB as I type this.
I would much rather have a clip than an uncle mikes nylon gundropper.
This isn't a "no holster" problem...it is a "gun too heavy for support system+general thoughtlessness" problem. IMO.
them wrote:Many companies make clips that mount to the gun and go over a waistband or belt to hold the gun - holsterless - in place. My P3AT has such a clip, as does my Glock 22. The P3AT can be worn in drawstring exercise shorts and works fine/doesn't drag (I won't argue safe/not safe since there is an obvious culture gap here). The g22 clip is very handy for going outside to see what the dogs are barking at but you need as much of a belt as when the G22 is in the Simply Rugger Cuda holster I am using IWB as I type this.
I would much rather have a clip than an uncle mikes nylon gundropper.
This isn't a "no holster" problem...it is a "gun too heavy for support system+general thoughtlessness" problem. IMO.
Carrying with an uncovered trigger guard is not just asking for trouble - it's begging for it.
Excaliber
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." - Jeff Cooper
I am not a lawyer. Nothing in any of my posts should be construed as legal or professional advice.
I don't recall if making certain to carry with a holster that covers the trigger is covered in a CHL course or not, but it would be good to include it, if it isn't...
I guess I don't recall if this is covered, because I make certain all my holsters are properly fitted to the gun to include trigger coverage among the other particulars to holster/gun fit.
Excaliber wrote:
Carrying with an uncovered trigger guard is not just asking for trouble - it's begging for it.
And yet it has been common practice for decades. E.g. FBI agents, back in the revolver days, often carried DA revolvers with clips that mounted under the stock plate on one side. I think S&W still sells a few models with a "hip grip" installed as factory equipment. Every popular ccw has a clip available, and they sell/are used daily by many people. Very few NDs considering.
Excaliber wrote:
Carrying with an uncovered trigger guard is not just asking for trouble - it's begging for it.
And yet it has been common practice for decades. E.g. FBI agents, back in the revolver days, often carried DA revolvers with clips that mounted under the stock plate on one side. I think S&W still sells a few models with a "hip grip" installed as factory equipment. Every popular ccw has a clip available, and they sell/are used daily by many people. Very few NDs considering.
It takes significantly more force to get an ND with a revolver's 12 - 14 lb. trigger pull that with a semiauto's 4 - 8 lb. pull, but it can still happen. There were lots when police all carried revolvers (not all from carrying without the trigger guard covered, of course).
Those who choose to carry a gun with the trigger guard uncovered have a much higher risk tolerance than I do. Everyone makes his own decisions and then lives with the outcomes.
Excaliber
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." - Jeff Cooper
I am not a lawyer. Nothing in any of my posts should be construed as legal or professional advice.
Everyone makes his own decisions and then lives with the outcomes.
Yep, which is why I tried to bypass the holsterless/exposed trigger safety argument (which is inexorably tied to personal tolerances and perception). It is like motorcycle riding...millions do it, millions of others think doing it is "begging for [trouble]".
However, having a pistol drag your pants down to the point where you are constantly hitching them has nothing to do with holsters or exposed triggers. It is a sign that the load bearing system (belt, or what have you) the carrier chose (probably elastic band shorts or something like that) wasn't sufficient for the load. You can have the exact same problem (complete with ND) with holsters and no belt.
Everyone makes his own decisions and then lives with the outcomes.
Yep, which is why I tried to bypass the holsterless/exposed trigger safety argument (which is inexorably tied to personal tolerances and perception). It is like motorcycle riding...millions do it, millions of others think doing it is "begging for [trouble]".
However, having a pistol drag your pants down to the point where you are constantly hitching them has nothing to do with holsters or exposed triggers. It is a sign that the load bearing system (belt, or what have you) the carrier chose (probably elastic band shorts or something like that) wasn't sufficient for the load. You can have the exact same problem (complete with ND) with holsters and no belt.
The problem was just as likely to be caused by the radius of the waist being larger than the radius of the hips, which is an increasingly common issue these days. This leaves nothing for the belt to rest on. The result is having to constantly pull up one's pants, regardless of the type of pants waist or belt. Suspenders are about the only working fix.
Excaliber
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." - Jeff Cooper
I am not a lawyer. Nothing in any of my posts should be construed as legal or professional advice.
Hah...probably true. I would say that's an explanation of why the carrier's load bearing system (belt, draw string, or whatever) wasn't up to the task, not a completely different theory. :)
