Open carry "contact" by hot headed LEO.

[chasfm11]

I read the link, too. It was very enlightening. Especially this post:

Well, I hope the crowd forgives me this first post in this forum being in this thread, but since the protagonist in the thread is my Chief Deputy I figured I might weigh in. While he sent me a link to this thread, he has no idea I am posting this.
Several of y'all (yes, we are in Georgia) have asked questions he hasn't completely answered so I thought I would clarify a few things.
For instance, IF you apply for a job in our agency, during the initial interview process we ask an applicant to tell us about the differences in Tier 1-2-3 stops, and to explain to us the difference between PC and RAS. Now, we only do this for certified, experienced peace officers. You would be surprised at the failure rate. Some can't even come close, and we tell 'em about it too. IF you don't know the difference between RAS and PC and you are already a peace officer, you can't work for me. IF you don't know how to have a consensual conversation with someone without threatening to shoot them in the head, maybe you outta go back to work at WalMart. Cause you ain't gonna work for me.
Re the video now.
I would have all 4 of those cops standing tall in my office. the contact for his stupid, condescending mouth and the other three cause they let it go on. Here we are, 50 years after McFadden(by stopping Terry) gave us a great tool to go after criminals with, and these boneheads decide to behave in such a threatening and condescending manner to a law abiding, tax paying citizen. Not a ONE of them did anything to stop it.
Anyway, I am through for now, but i will drop by to address any issues that may arise from my first post here. By the way, my name is Scott Berry, I am the Sheriff of Oconee Co Georgia since 1993, with 35 years on the job. I 'spect JLW will vouch for me since he was in Morgan Co today screwing around while I had to work

'nuff said.

[jmra]

I read the link, too. It was very enlightening. Especially this post:

Well, I hope the crowd forgives me this first post in this forum being in this thread, but since the protagonist in the thread is my Chief Deputy I figured I might weigh in. While he sent me a link to this thread, he has no idea I am posting this.
Several of y'all (yes, we are in Georgia) have asked questions he hasn't completely answered so I thought I would clarify a few things.
For instance, IF you apply for a job in our agency, during the initial interview process we ask an applicant to tell us about the differences in Tier 1-2-3 stops, and to explain to us the difference between PC and RAS. Now, we only do this for certified, experienced peace officers. You would be surprised at the failure rate. Some can't even come close, and we tell 'em about it too. IF you don't know the difference between RAS and PC and you are already a peace officer, you can't work for me. IF you don't know how to have a consensual conversation with someone without threatening to shoot them in the head, maybe you outta go back to work at WalMart. Cause you ain't gonna work for me.
Re the video now.
I would have all 4 of those cops standing tall in my office. the contact for his stupid, condescending mouth and the other three cause they let it go on. Here we are, 50 years after McFadden(by stopping Terry) gave us a great tool to go after criminals with, and these boneheads decide to behave in such a threatening and condescending manner to a law abiding, tax paying citizen. Not a ONE of them did anything to stop it.
Anyway, I am through for now, but i will drop by to address any issues that may arise from my first post here. By the way, my name is Scott Berry, I am the Sheriff of Oconee Co Georgia since 1993, with 35 years on the job. I 'spect JLW will vouch for me since he was in Morgan Co today screwing around while I had to work

'nuff said.

I thought I remembered the name Scott Berry. Back in the beginning of the year there was a story about Berry canceling an account with a supplier because the supplier had announced they would no longer sell ARs to the general public. Berry stated that if the supplier was not willing to sell to the law abiding citizens in his county then the supplier wasn't going to get any more of the county's money. I sent him an email expressing my appreciation for his stance and surprisingly he sent a very nice response.
Here's the story from Jan
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[mojo84]

I read the link, too. It was very enlightening. Especially this post:

Well, I hope the crowd forgives me this first post in this forum being in this thread, but since the protagonist in the thread is my Chief Deputy I figured I might weigh in. While he sent me a link to this thread, he has no idea I am posting this.
Several of y'all (yes, we are in Georgia) have asked questions he hasn't completely answered so I thought I would clarify a few things.
For instance, IF you apply for a job in our agency, during the initial interview process we ask an applicant to tell us about the differences in Tier 1-2-3 stops, and to explain to us the difference between PC and RAS. Now, we only do this for certified, experienced peace officers. You would be surprised at the failure rate. Some can't even come close, and we tell 'em about it too. IF you don't know the difference between RAS and PC and you are already a peace officer, you can't work for me. IF you don't know how to have a consensual conversation with someone without threatening to shoot them in the head, maybe you outta go back to work at WalMart. Cause you ain't gonna work for me.
Re the video now.
I would have all 4 of those cops standing tall in my office. the contact for his stupid, condescending mouth and the other three cause they let it go on. Here we are, 50 years after McFadden(by stopping Terry) gave us a great tool to go after criminals with, and these boneheads decide to behave in such a threatening and condescending manner to a law abiding, tax paying citizen. Not a ONE of them did anything to stop it.
Anyway, I am through for now, but i will drop by to address any issues that may arise from my first post here. By the way, my name is Scott Berry, I am the Sheriff of Oconee Co Georgia since 1993, with 35 years on the job. I 'spect JLW will vouch for me since he was in Morgan Co today screwing around while I had to work

'nuff said.

He makes a good point.

[sawdust]

"Legalistics" aside:

If I see someone with a rifle at a range, I will keep my eye on him
If I see someone with a rifle in a hunting environment, I will keep my eye on him
If I see someone walking down the street & carrying a rifle, I will be on alert
If I see someone with a rifle coming into a Luby's cafeteria, I will be on high alert
If I see someone with a rifle in a school setting, I will be on high, high, high alert and ready to move, move, move

Please for your own sanity, do not visit Lebanon, the country that is. You will see "guys" with RPGs, AAA mounted on their trucks and few 40-rockets Grad launchers.

To me, a major aspect of this thread is "context". The discussion centers on what-can-be-done versus what-should-be-done versus what-is-prudent-to-do.

I stand by my view of MY world: If I see someone walking down the street (any street, anywhere) with an RPG, I will keep my eye on him (or her). In my world (civilian, American suburban), such scenes are not the norm.

[texanjoker]

"Legalistics" aside:

If I see someone with a rifle at a range, I will keep my eye on him
If I see someone with a rifle in a hunting environment, I will keep my eye on him
If I see someone walking down the street & carrying a rifle, I will be on alert
If I see someone with a rifle coming into a Luby's cafeteria, I will be on high alert
If I see someone with a rifle in a school setting, I will be on high, high, high alert and ready to move, move, move

Please for your own sanity, do not visit Lebanon, the country that is. You will see "guys" with RPGs, AAA mounted on their trucks and few 40-rockets Grad launchers.

To me, a major aspect of this thread is "context". The discussion centers on what-can-be-done versus what-should-be-done versus what-is-prudent-to-do.

I stand by my view of MY world: If I see someone walking down the street (any street, anywhere) with an RPG, I will keep my eye on him (or her). In my world (civilian, American suburban), such scenes are not the norm.

Yup and the videos we see are always from antagonists which hurt the cause. Geez we sound like the IRA talking about the "cause" The only time I have personally seen an open carry here in TX was at the Capital for the 2nd amendment rally in Jan. Nobody messed with the guys carrying.

[VMI77]

I don't think law enforcement officers are held to the exact same standards as a civilian. As a civilian, we have the option of walking away or even avoiding the situation. A law enforcement officer is duty bound to stand and verify the danger is neutralized. How about when an officer forcefully says, stop or I will shoot? Maybe this officer used a little more "color" than required but he had to be sure this guy got the message. When did we all become so touchy feely about a word? I am beginning to think the libtards and Obama have begun to have more of a sissyfying affect on us all than we thought. We are now gonna nit pick how a cop phrases his intentions if we go for our guns? I suppose I was raised with a little thicker skin than that... but then again... I also don't believe every kid that played soccer in the city league, win or lose, "deserves" a trophy.

Here is my perspective on what the cop said to him. "BooHoo, you hurt my little feelings. I was acting like a total fool and you said a mean thing to me. Boohoo, you said you would shoot me in my whittle head.". That about covers it.

We don't all have a commander-in-chief, only the military does, so the "civilian" distinction does not apply. Police are not superior beings. If they're not active duty military then they are "civilians" just like the rest of us who are no longer on active duty. My contact with police is not between civilian and military, it's between civilian and civilian, or better, citizen and citizen. We're not supposed to be the servants of LE, they are supposed be serve and protect us. And I totally agree, the country has been sissified, but it started before Obama, and most of the sissification is in the big cities.

[E.Marquez]

Yup, all of us OC folks are out to antagonize people.'

All? No
Most.. Most vocal.. most likely to be pictured, videotaped, arrested, made a common public spectacle? YES

It's not the ideal,, it's the method

[gigag04]

I don't think law enforcement officers are held to the exact same standards as a civilian. As a civilian, we have the option of walking away or even avoiding the situation. A law enforcement officer is duty bound to stand and verify the danger is neutralized. How about when an officer forcefully says, stop or I will shoot? Maybe this officer used a little more "color" than required but he had to be sure this guy got the message. When did we all become so touchy feely about a word? I am beginning to think the libtards and Obama have begun to have more of a sissyfying affect on us all than we thought. We are now gonna nit pick how a cop phrases his intentions if we go for our guns? I suppose I was raised with a little thicker skin than that... but then again... I also don't believe every kid that played soccer in the city league, win or lose, "deserves" a trophy.

Here is my perspective on what the cop said to him. "BooHoo, you hurt my little feelings. I was acting like a total fool and you said a mean thing to me. Boohoo, you said you would shoot me in my whittle head.". That about covers it.

We don't all have a commander-in-chief, only the military does, so the "civilian" distinction does not apply. Police are not superior beings. If they're not active duty military then they are "civilians" just like the rest of us who are no longer on active duty. My contact with police is not between civilian and military, it's between civilian and civilian, or better, citizen and citizen. We're not supposed to be the servants of LE, they are supposed be serve and protect us. And I totally agree, the country has been sissified, but it started before Obama, and most of the sissification is in the big cities.

I found this response a bit selective in its focus, and I think the terminology is a sidebar issue to what the OP was trying to communicate.

[03Lightningrocks]

I don't think law enforcement officers are held to the exact same standards as a civilian. As a civilian, we have the option of walking away or even avoiding the situation. A law enforcement officer is duty bound to stand and verify the danger is neutralized. How about when an officer forcefully says, stop or I will shoot? Maybe this officer used a little more "color" than required but he had to be sure this guy got the message. When did we all become so touchy feely about a word? I am beginning to think the libtards and Obama have begun to have more of a sissyfying affect on us all than we thought. We are now gonna nit pick how a cop phrases his intentions if we go for our guns? I suppose I was raised with a little thicker skin than that... but then again... I also don't believe every kid that played soccer in the city league, win or lose, "deserves" a trophy.

Here is my perspective on what the cop said to him. "BooHoo, you hurt my little feelings. I was acting like a total fool and you said a mean thing to me. Boohoo, you said you would shoot me in my whittle head.". That about covers it.

We don't all have a commander-in-chief, only the military does, so the "civilian" distinction does not apply. Police are not superior beings. If they're not active duty military then they are "civilians" just like the rest of us who are no longer on active duty. My contact with police is not between civilian and military, it's between civilian and civilian, or better, citizen and citizen. We're not supposed to be the servants of LE, they are supposed be serve and protect us. And I totally agree, the country has been sissified, but it started before Obama, and most of the sissification is in the big cities.

My goodness. Seriously? Commander in chief? wow! You are so far off base I don't even know where to begin. Not once did I say anything remotely relative to the response you gave. Please.... Give me a break!

Read my post over again and see if you find where I said anything about commander in chief or anyone being superior. If you are going to respond to my posts, please try not to put your own words into my mouth.

Many thanks.

[03Lightningrocks]

I don't think law enforcement officers are held to the exact same standards as a civilian. As a civilian, we have the option of walking away or even avoiding the situation. A law enforcement officer is duty bound to stand and verify the danger is neutralized. How about when an officer forcefully says, stop or I will shoot? Maybe this officer used a little more "color" than required but he had to be sure this guy got the message. When did we all become so touchy feely about a word? I am beginning to think the libtards and Obama have begun to have more of a sissyfying affect on us all than we thought. We are now gonna nit pick how a cop phrases his intentions if we go for our guns? I suppose I was raised with a little thicker skin than that... but then again... I also don't believe every kid that played soccer in the city league, win or lose, "deserves" a trophy.

Here is my perspective on what the cop said to him. "BooHoo, you hurt my little feelings. I was acting like a total fool and you said a mean thing to me. Boohoo, you said you would shoot me in my whittle head.". That about covers it.

We don't all have a commander-in-chief, only the military does, so the "civilian" distinction does not apply. Police are not superior beings. If they're not active duty military then they are "civilians" just like the rest of us who are no longer on active duty. My contact with police is not between civilian and military, it's between civilian and civilian, or better, citizen and citizen. We're not supposed to be the servants of LE, they are supposed be serve and protect us. And I totally agree, the country has been sissified, but it started before Obama, and most of the sissification is in the big cities.

I found this response a bit selective in its focus, and I think the terminology is a sidebar issue to what the OP was trying to communicate.

[Oldgringo]

The guys wanted attention and they got it. What's their problem...other than no TV coverage?

[texanjoker]

One part I do have issues with after watching a few more times is that if he knew they were just exercising their rights, then he knew they were not active shooters so why hassle them? The thing we don't know is their dept policy for contacts and maybe they were required to since it was a radio call.

[03Lightningrocks]

One part I do have issues with after watching a few more times is that if he knew they were just exercising their rights, then he knew they were not active shooters so why hassle them? The thing we don't know is their dept policy for contacts and maybe they were required to since it was a radio call.

Admittedly, I wondered the same thing when I heard that. I still am not a fan of us trying to incite, simply to make some kind of point. I really feel this stuff will backfire on us like the whole Starbucks debacle. It is what it is I suppose. The link to the pistol forum thread above is really pretty interesting. Gives good food for thought...on both sides of the issue.

[cb1000rider]

For all who are afraid form exercising said legal act as first-step for losing the right of open carry. Let us ban it and done with it, as the mere fear of exercising said act is deterrence from exercising the legal act of open carry of long firearms. If you can not exercise it, why it is legal in the first place?

Bingo. Let's call the spade a spade and be done with it. Right to bear arms does not exist in this state even with long guns or antiques. We've been shown that several times.

If you don't want to call it like it is, why tolerate LEO contact on legal behavior?