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pcgizzmo wrote:I'm going to say and probably get in trouble but I don't know if a woman should be president of the US for the simple fact that we have to deal with so many foreign countries where women are looked down upon or are not allowed to be in leadership rolls. Our president has to demand and deserve respect from the leaders of other nations and a woman in this position will not garner the respect the American president deserves and needs to make deals and show the power and authority a leader of a nation needs to show.

Nothing against women and their ability to make good decisions but other countries simply wont respect a woman as our president I don't think.

Not to mention I'm not ready to go to war once a month. (Just kidding) :biggrinjester:
Hmm. Let's look at actual facts to assess that concern. Did being female impede the UK's Maggie Thatcher? Germany's Merkel? Or even Pakistan's Bhutto during her two terms as PM?

You concerns are misplaced, in my irrelevant opinion.
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Your statement is duly noted and I would agree except the fact that the US is no Pakistan, UK or Germany were the most powerful country in the world. The country that up until recently the rest of the world aspired to be. If we were irrelevant in the world and not a major super power I would be inclined to agree with you more but I don't in this case.

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DEB wrote:Why is it wrong to be a Christian? But it is okay to tell 16 year old boys to hide their relationships with older men?
What is that supposed to mean? Catholic priests are Christian.
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pcgizzmo wrote:I'm going to say and probably get in trouble but I don't know if a woman should be president of the US for the simple fact that we have to deal with so many foreign countries where women are looked down upon or are not allowed to be in leadership rolls. Our president has to demand and deserve respect from the leaders of other nations and a woman in this position will not garner the respect the American president deserves and needs to make deals and show the power and authority a leader of a nation needs to show.

Nothing against women and their ability to make good decisions but other countries simply wont respect a woman as our president I don't think.
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Zergrush wrote:
DEB wrote:Why is it wrong to be a Christian? But it is okay to tell 16 year old boys to hide their relationships with older men?
What is that supposed to mean? Catholic priests are Christian.
I don't know what to make of your post? I never even mentioned Catholic Priests or the Catholic Church, nor did I state that Catholics are not Christian? Are you inferring that all Catholic Priests are telling underage boys to hide their relationships with older men? I was referring to Kevin Jennings, the Kenyan's safe schools Czar.
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He's just taking a cheap swipe at Catholics.
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TAM:

Regarding my source for Bachman's law school advocating that the Bible should supercede the Constitition?

This was discused in the New Yorker article. That reporter had personal interviews with Bachman and travelled
with her entourage.

I know that you want to dismiss the above 2 articles, but they contain kernels of knowledge into her thought process,
and hence give the voters who dig a chance to see where she may go. It seems to me that you may not have read the
articles since you have given them the 527 label.

Is Faux News to be trusted after one of their top execs admitted to starting the "Obama is a Muslim" rumor?

Someone discussed Kennedy's Catholicism and how stories were woven about his alleged subservience to the Pope, if elected.
But Kennedy did not trumpet his faith beliefs. Where Ms. Bachman differs is that she claims her faith is the driving force in
her life.

I think part of the core problem that we have with any news media today is that everyone has an agenda and we have had
outright lies from some sources, and endless spin from everyone.

Speaking of spin, did you notice that Ron Paul was a strong 2nd to Bachman, but was ignored in the commentary that says
the Big 3 are now Mitt Romney, Bachman, and Rick Perry?

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surprise_i'm_armed wrote:TAM:

Regarding my source for Bachman's law school advocating that the Bible should supercede the Constitition?

This was discused in the New Yorker article. That reporter had personal interviews with Bachman and travelled with her entourage.

I know that you want to dismiss the above 2 articles, but they contain kernels of knowledge into her thought process, and hence give the voters who dig a chance to see where she may go. It seems to me that you may not have read the articles since you have given them the 527 label.

Is Faux News to be trusted after one of their top execs admitted to starting the "Obama is a Muslim" rumor?

Someone discussed Kennedy's Catholicism and how stories were woven about his alleged subservience to the Pope, if elected. But Kennedy did not trumpet his faith beliefs. Where Ms. Bachman differs is that she claims her faith is the driving force in her life.

I think part of the core problem that we have with any news media today is that everyone has an agenda and we have had outright lies from some sources, and endless spin from everyone.

Speaking of spin, did you notice that Ron Paul was a strong 2nd to Bachman, but was ignored in the commentary that says the Big 3 are now Mitt Romney, Bachman, and Rick Perry?

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First off, yes, I noticed that about Ron Paul, and although I think he's nuttier than an outhouse rat, shame on the legacy media for not reporting.................EXCEPT for Fox News, which DID report it, and which also made it a story that Paul was being ignored by the other media. Good for them. So you can call them "Faux News" if you want (most libs do), but the fact is that they did a better job on this story than anybody else. Period. And you can't take that away from them.

Secondly, I don't think that Fox is perfect. Ask my wife some day how many shoes I've nearly launched at the TV because some chowderhead on the Fox payroll was spouting inanities.

Third, I actually do read Rolling Stone on occasion (I'm a musician, and it comes with the territory), and yesterday, I just finished reading Adam Gopnik's article "Dog Story" from last week's issue of The New Yorker. Please notice that I don't descend to childish name calling of news sources like those who call Fox News "Faux News." It's like saying, "well you're a poopy head." I mean, really? Because I read these publications, and because I also read and watch conservative news sources, I have a well-tuned understanding of their political agendas.

So what if the New Yorker reporter interviewed and traveled with Bachman. So what? You and I have met before. That wouldn't stop me from posting lies about you on the Internet if I were so inclined. I am not so inclinded....because I have integrity. I don't believe that political reporters from either the Stone or the New Yorker have any because they fundamentally don't know how to keep their own opinions out of their reporting. That makes what they report opinion, not fact.

BTW, you haven't addressed my response to their assertion—that we should work to change the Constitution if we are inspired (for whatever reason, whether it be religious or secular) to do so. Examples? How about the 18th and 21st Amendments? The Founders included the mechanism for changing it. They wouldn't have done so if they had not believed that, at some point in the future, Americans in large enough numbers to make it happen might want to effect some change or other.

As for Francis Schaeffer's belief shortly before his death that, unless Roe v. Wade is overturned, evangelicals ought to violently overthrow the government.....well that's just poppycock. Even Rolex watches don't keep perfect time. I think that if you parse ever word uttered by every politician in this race, you'll find enough scary stuff on each of them, Ron Paul included, to keep you awake at night for months.

I am a deeply religious person. I cannot help but to see the world through the filter of my faith. I think that Bachman is no different. That does not mean that I do not intend to hitch my rope to the Constitution. My guess is that neither does Bachman. My guess is that, if you were to question her about whether or not she agreed with Francis Schaeffer that violent overthrow of the government is called for, she would strongly disagree. She may not be your cup of tea, but she's not a complete idiot. In any case, because I am a deeply religious person, I take great offense when otherwise seemingly rational people try to gut somebody because of their religion. Speaking of the debates....Chris Wallace's question to Bachman about submission to her husband (and all that might imply about some alleged sinister plot in which she would be her husband's puppet as he secretly ran the country) was a cheap shot and extremely cheesy journalism. Ditto the crap that the press gave JFK over his catholicism.

It's just not called for. As a person whose religious beliefs cause him to be ridiculed in the public culture, I deeply resent it when muckrakers do it under the guise of "journalism," which is really nothing more than "yellow journalism."

Frankly, politics is outside the realm of expertise of Rolling Stone. They treat it like they were making a music video..... all hype, heavy breathing, and hip gyrations, but very little substance. They sent Hunter S. Thomson to cover the Nixon White House, for heaven's sake. I loved reading Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, and Hunter S. Thompson was a brilliant satirist, but he was not qualified as a political reporter. To him, it was all theater. Well, that's the kind of political coverage you get out of Rolling Stone. If you want to know about what guitar effects Mark Knopfler likes to use, or how much J-Lo loves sunset walks on the beach, the Rolling Stone is the perfect rag. But it not exactly a hotbed of good political reportage. That article is NOT reporting. It's an opinion piece, and a character assassination at that.

Now, all of the above said, I repeat.....I am NOT a fan of Michelle Bachman's. I don't hate her either. I suspect that almost any one of the other candidates in the race—Ron Paul excepted—are better qualified than she is, having nothing to do with any of her particular religious views. I don't think she is the most intelligent of the candidates. I don't think she is stupid either. You don't get elected to Congress by being a complete retard. I just think that some of the others are smarter and have better experience and qualifications for an executive. If I can choose between a conservative of average intelligence, and a conservative of higher than average intelligence, I'll take the smarter one, please.

But I have reacted strongly here because I despise that lefty smugness that automatically discounts fundamentally decent and qualified people simply because lefties don't understand the mind of a person of faith......and being ultimately provincial in their outlook, lefties try to destroy what they don't understand. It's cretinous. And Rolling Stone is a hotbed of the cretinous....The New Yorker is less so, but they can be insufferably smug too, and particularly dismissive of anything that originates from outside the Big Apple, viewing themselves as the only legitimate guardians of the culture. They're very French that way. When I used to live in NYC back in the 1970s, one of my friends was an illustrator for The New Yorker. Nice guy, but he was steeped in it. Ever since then, I can't abide by it.

I seek clarity. The majority of political reporting, particularly from non-political publications only muddies the waters further.
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Thank you TAM. Very well spoken
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If a candidate makes an issue of their religion (or sexuality or military service or education or anything else) I think that subject becomes fair game for the press and the public to discuss as well.
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tacticool wrote:If a candidate makes an issue of their religion (or sexuality or military service or education or anything else) I think that subject becomes fair game for the press and the public to discuss as well.
I am not saying it shouldn't be discussed. I am saying that it should discussed truthfully, like adults, and not like some kind of nanny-nanny-boo-hoo tit-for-tat gotcha fest........which is what cheesebags like Chris Wallace and the Rolling Stone editorial staff engage in.
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Hummm...this thread is quacking like a rule eleven duck.
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pcgizzmo wrote:I'm going to say and probably get in trouble but I don't know if a woman should be president of the US for the simple fact that we have to deal with so many foreign countries where women are looked down upon or are not allowed to be in leadership rolls. Our president has to demand and deserve respect from the leaders of other nations and a woman in this position will not garner the respect the American president deserves and needs to make deals and show the power and authority a leader of a nation needs to show.

Nothing against women and their ability to make good decisions but other countries simply wont respect a woman as our president I don't think.

Not to mention I'm not ready to go to war once a month. (Just kidding) :biggrinjester:
The countries where women leaders are looked down upon are not now and never will be friendly to the US because for the most part those countries are muslim and operate under sharia law. We are infidels to them and we all must either worship their god or die.

Based on this who cares if we elect a woman for president and why should we worry about what the world thinks?

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OldCurlyWolf wrote:
Zergrush wrote:
DEB wrote:Why is it wrong to be a Christian? But it is okay to tell 16 year old boys to hide their relationships with older men?
What is that supposed to mean? Catholic priests are Christian.
Not all of them are practicing Christians. And once you get higher in the hierarchy than parish priest, it gets even worse. :evil2:
I take extreme exception to your post. I am a Catholic and I think you owe us all a sincere apology for your callous and unjustified comments about the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. This board is not a place for bigoted statements based on whatever anger or bias you are harboring against the Catholic faith.

Take your bigoted statements somewhere else.

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