the long lost birth certificate

[baldeagle]

Come on folks I said if the birth certificate/ eligibly issues is an issue for you its because you're an idiot or racist. I stand by that. I said earlier there are many good and valid reason to criticize this President and this is not one of the. if you want to call him out on his economic policy or foreign policy I would be inclined to agree. I did not suggest any criticism of the president is race related, just on this particular issue I think it plays a large role. Name one President in the past 100 years who has had to deal with something like this for 2 1/2 years after it was legally settled.

Is this guy a racist? How about this guy? How about this guy? (And please don't insult us with your response.)

[KD5NRH]

Can anyone think of another President in the last 100 years that spent their formative years in another country?

Well, I can think of a few that spent their late teens/early twenties overseas, but they all had a better excuse.

[C-dub]

After hearing several folks' opinion here that it is fake I'm wondering why I haven't heard anything on the news. Surely, others are also investigating its authenticity. Have I missed the stories about this?

Yes. On Infowars.com and the national inquirer have great articles about it,and while you're at Infowars you can learn everything you wanted to know about the 9/11 "conspiracy".

So, can I safely assume that you do not believe that there was a conspiracy by our government to take down the towers on 9-11? Okay, fake may have not been the best choice of terms, but there's been nothing on Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, or anyone regarding the authenticity of the image of the birth certificate? I don't watch every minute, but I still haven't heard a word.

[fulano]

After hearing several folks' opinion here that it is fake I'm wondering why I haven't heard anything on the news. Surely, others are also investigating its authenticity. Have I missed the stories about this?

Yes. On Infowars.com and the national inquirer have great articles about it,and while you're at Infowars you can learn everything you wanted to know about the 9/11 "conspiracy".

You left out http://birthers.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Lots of issues.

We need a Special Prosecutor.

[Jasonw560]

Yes. On Infowars.com and the national inquirer have great articles about it,and while you're at Infowars you can learn everything you wanted to know about the 9/11 "conspiracy".

Yeah, there's a credible source. I bet it was right there between Brangelina's latest tiff and Rosie O'Donnell's bikini scare.

What did your celebrity horoscope say?

BTW, I'm not a birther.

[The Mad Moderate]

Come on folks I said if the birth certificate/ eligibly issues is an issue for you its because you're an idiot or racist. I stand by that. I said earlier there are many good and valid reason to criticize this President and this is not one of the. if you want to call him out on his economic policy or foreign policy I would be inclined to agree. I did not suggest any criticism of the president is race related, just on this particular issue I think it plays a large role. Name one President in the past 100 years who has had to deal with something like this for 2 1/2 years after it was legally settled.

You're misrepresenting the issue. It has never been legally settled (meaning in a court of law.) It may have been settled in your mind, but it obviously hasn't been settled in others'. And to attribute that to racism is the worst kind of racism. You really should be ashamed of yourself for repeatedly making that statement and insisting it's one of the only two possibilities.

Some simple examples will suffice to disprove your allegation.

Some people believe (I believe rightly) that Obama is a marxist. Some of those that believe this are desperate to find any issue they can use to discredit him. It wouldn't matter if his skin was green. They would still push the birth certificate issue, because they honestly believe that's a way to defeat him politically. Remember there were people on the left who did the exact same thing to George Bush regarding the 9/11 conspiracy issue. Yet you would never accuse those people of racism simply because Bush is white, yet that's the worst form of racism there is - to assume simply based on the color of man's skin what the motives of his opponents might be.

Some people push the birth certificate issue because they hate Democrats and will believe anything bad said about them. Obama is a Democrat, so he qualifies for their hatred list. It has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin.

You claim the proof was provided (you claim "legally settled") two and a half years ago. Bush supporters claimed the exact same thing about the National Guard records. Yet that didn't stop his opponents from trying to use the issue against him. They too insisted that he had lied, that he hadn't released the official documents, that he was covering up something dark and sinister. That you can't see the parallels in those two clearly political issues says a great deal about your inability to look at issues dispassionately and with an open mind.

If you recall the coverage of the 2008 election, the media speculated openly about whether white voters could find it within themselves to vote for a black man. They actually were shocked when white independents and some conservatives voted for Obama. I found that speculation rather amusing. George Bush had more black people in important positions of authority than Bill Clinton did. Yet the media simply believe that conservatives cannot find it within themselves to treat black people as humans. Personally I would vote for Herman Cain in a heartbeat. Not because he's black (because I don't care about that) but because he "gets it".

Your distorted view of racism is a product of hanging out in places like Huffington Post where that sort of thing is believed and spouted as fact without the slightest bit of supporting evidence.

That is not true, ask Orly Taitz she fled numerous lawsuits in the matter and all were dismissed due to lack of evidence and she was even bared from filing further lawsuits in the matter.

(edited to include proper spelling of name)

[baldeagle]

Come on folks I said if the birth certificate/ eligibly issues is an issue for you its because you're an idiot or racist. I stand by that. I said earlier there are many good and valid reason to criticize this President and this is not one of the. if you want to call him out on his economic policy or foreign policy I would be inclined to agree. I did not suggest any criticism of the president is race related, just on this particular issue I think it plays a large role. Name one President in the past 100 years who has had to deal with something like this for 2 1/2 years after it was legally settled.

You're misrepresenting the issue. It has never been legally settled (meaning in a court of law.) It may have been settled in your mind, but it obviously hasn't been settled in others'.

That is not true, ask Orly Taitz she fled numerous lawsuits in the matter and all were dismissed due to lack of evidence and she was even bared from filing further lawsuits in the matter.

(edited to include proper spelling of name)

Since I had never heard of her, I had to google Orly Taitz. I'll admit, I haven't done extensive research, but I didn't see anything that indicated that the matter of the birth certificate had been "legally settled" as you claim. Either your standard of proof is exceedingly low or you simply wish this issue would go away and are willing to accept any hint of proof at all.

The fact that courts dismiss lawsuits (which happens all the time) is proof of nothing other than that the court simply didn't want to deal with the case. There can be many reasons for that; lack of standing, wrong venue, political motivations of the judge, pressure from the court's superiors, improperly filed claims, improperly stated grounds for the lawsuit, the court agreed with the demurrers, etc., etc.

Since I don't really care about this issue I'm not going to spend a ton of time researching it, but I haven't found a single case where a court adjudged Obama's birth certificate to be valid. Since I'm unfamiliar with this type of issue, I don't even know if birth certificates can be challenged in court, much less whether or not a court has ever ruled on the validity of a birth certificate.

Frankly, I don't understand how the issue got started to begin with. His mother was an American. I would think that would make him an American regardless of where he was born. After all, it would seem passingly silly to claim that a person born in Paris, France to American parents working for a US corporation with French offices was not an American citizen. The issue of someone born to parents with two different nationalities is a bit less clear, and I am unfamiliar with the legalities of it, so I could be wrong. But i believe that if one parent has American citizenship, then the children of that marriage do as well.

The thing you don't seem to understand is that this really isn't an issue with where Obama was born. The issue has never really been about whether he was an American (otherwise his American mother would settle the issue for most). The issue has been a political jabbing stick to pick away at his Presidency and gain an advantage that might translate into votes. Frankly, no matter how irritating anyone might find an issue that dogs one of their political favorites, the issue will never go away, no matter how much solid proof is adduced, unless the ones who promote the issue decide there is no longer any advantage to be gained by pushing it. That advantage is measured by polls, and recent polls showed almost 50% of the public at least having questions about Obama's citizenship. That is the real reason that Obama released his birth certificate - votes. And that is the reason that releasing the birth certificate had little impact on the people pushing the issue. It remains to be seen, through polling, whether the release resolved the issue of half the population questioning his citizenship. If the numbers now drop precipitously, then Obama will ignore further cries for the release of documents.

[Beiruty]

Please, please drop the birth certificate issue.
It is becoming tail chasing exercise.

2012 election is on the door step.

What is of more concern is:
1) Economy
2) Deficit and spending.

[boba]

Name one President in the past 100 years who has had to deal with something like this for 2 1/2 years after it was legally settled.

You're misrepresenting the issue. It has never been legally settled (meaning in a court of law.)

On the other hand, the Supreme Court did settle the 2000 election but that didn't stop the whining from the tin foil brigade.

[The Mad Moderate]

Name one President in the past 100 years who has had to deal with something like this for 2 1/2 years after it was legally settled.

You're misrepresenting the issue. It has never been legally settled (meaning in a court of law.)

On the other hand, the Supreme Court did settle the 2000 election but that didn't stop the whining from the tin foil brigade.

I have to give you that one.

Please, please drop the birth certificate issue.
It is becoming tail chasing exercise.

2012 election is on the door step.

What is of more concern is:
1) Economy
2) Deficit and spending.

Can anyone think of another President in the last 100 years that spent their formative years in another country?

Well, I can think of a few that spent their late teens/early twenties overseas, but they all had a better excuse.

So whats the problem, Obama spent some time in his youth as a child in other countries =. he didnt have much of a choice in the matter and I doubt his mother knew this would become an issue 40 plus years later when he became president. I personally do not have an issue where the President has lived in his past so long as he is eligible to be President as is Obama, where he grew up means nothing, the constitution states he must be a natural born citizen which he has proved, why is where he grew up an issue for you, do you doubt his love of country?

[boba]

I personally do not have an issue where the President has lived in his past so long as he is eligible to be President as is Obama, where he grew up means nothing, the constitution states he must be a natural born citizen which he has proved, why is where he grew up an issue for you, do you doubt his love of country?

Living abroad as a child doesn't make him ineligible but it does mean something about the values he was raised with. Proverbs 22:6

To answer your last question, I do doubt his love of the US Constitution. That's showed by his push for unconstitutional laws like more government control of health care. I also doubt his love of personal freedom, including RKBA. I doubt his love of the 9th and 10th amendments and, by extension, the bill of rights in general. I doubt his love of capitalism and personal financial freedom that would result if the government followed the constitution.

[sjfcontrol]

He has stated that the constitution is an expression of "Negative Rights", and he professes that is wrong. Of course, it only seems that way when examined from the view of government. It is a list of things the government cannot do. To "fix" that would eviscerate the constitution.

[McKnife]

He did turn over the proof required, TWO YEARS AGO! When he released the "short form" birth certificate that is more than enough to get a passport. I WILL SAY AGAING HE RELEASED PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP TWO YEARS AGO. Why was it still an issue this long Why was this an issue and why does it continue to be an issue, there are still many saying that they don't think he was born here. The only constitutional requirements to be President is one be at lest 35, and be born here. The form he released two years ago should of been plenty. I will not back off my earlier accretion that anyone still making an issue of this either holds some level of resentment because the President is black or they are a tin-foil hat conspiracy theorist. I understand that people wanted to be sure he was eligible, but the question was settled two and a half years ago.

I'm hearing you say, "I refuse to attribute any motive other than racism to a white man who has a problem with a black man. I choose to ignore any black men or other minorities who have the same problem and attribute indoctrinated self-hate by white racists as their only possible motive. I refuse to address any points raised by those with the issue or to assess their long-stated motives because they counter my foregone conclusion that their only motivation can be racism. I refuse to look past skin color to address the topics."

That's about the most racist point of view I think I've encountered in a long while! Black men are nothing more than their skin color to you? They can't be taken as respectable men whose positions people can disagree with (or form conspiracy theories around) like white men or women because their skin color is all you can see? There's obviously nothing to discuss as you've made it clear your position on the topic of why the birth certificate is an issue for a significant part of our country will not be changed by facts. I won't be following this thread any longer.

[C-dub]

It would only be a big deal if the woman he says is his mother isn't really his biological mother, but rather the result of an extramarital affair and she agreed to raise him as hers?

[BrianSW99]

Frankly, I don't understand how the issue got started to begin with. His mother was an American. I would think that would make him an American regardless of where he was born.

The issue is not whether he's an American citizen. I don't think most people doubt that. The question is about whether he's Natural Born on American soil, which is what the requirement is for being president.