Texas Will Not Follow Arizona

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Re: Texas Will Not Follow Arizona

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Maybe this is short-sighted, but I don't see the US ever being completely free of illegal immigrants. Most of the complaints that I hear about them are that they are "stealing" the benefits that OUR (legal citizens) pay for. Since we can't get rid of them, why not just legalize them and make them part of the paying (collectible) tax base? At least that way we are getting a percentage back of the money they are sucking off of us. If legalized, we would have their finger-prints, picture, and other data on file to use to track them. Right now what do we have? Nada.

I'm asking these questions because I'm not quite sure of the ramifications of doing something like this. It occurs to me that the Dem's would like to give the illegals the right to vote, but not yet give them full citizenship and therefore taxation.. Why are we afraid to tax them? Do the higher powers believe that if we tax them, that they will leave? What gives?

I don't begrudge a man for trying to provide for his family. I do begrudge a government who allows the tax paying citizens to carry the burden of health-care, education, and housing of citizens who are here illegally while the very supporters of those elected officials are benefitting from the cheap labor.

I feel that since they are already here, and I can't see any state physically making the stand and removing them from the country , why not find a way to burden them with the same burdens that we are carrying? They have all the benefits of citizenship-and none of the responsibility.. If the United States is about EQUALITY-show me the equality in illegal immigration..

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Re: Texas Will Not Follow Arizona

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The difference between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants is analogous to the difference between honest investors and Madoff. The difference is between legitimacy and fraud.

Is it any surprise that the crooks in politics who defraud The People are the same ones who defend their fellow fraudsters?

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Re: Texas Will Not Follow Arizona

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I would be interested in reading a LEO's perspective on how this may impact available resources (manpower, funding, jail space, etc) if a state adopts a stance such as Arizona.

I'm not opposed to it, SOMETHING has to be done to stem the flow of illegals. I just don't know that this option has been totally vetted, in light of many state budgets running record deficits. Rather than receiving federal dollars for doing the Fed's job, I think the only thing the states will receive from the Fed is an injunction.
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Re: Texas Will Not Follow Arizona

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Kawabuggy wrote:Maybe this is short-sighted, but I don't see the US ever being completely free of illegal immigrants. Most of the complaints that I hear about them are that they are "stealing" the benefits that OUR (legal citizens) pay for. Since we can't get rid of them, why not just legalize them and make them part of the paying (collectible) tax base? At least that way we are getting a percentage back of the money they are sucking off of us. If legalized, we would have their finger-prints, picture, and other data on file to use to track them. Right now what do we have? Nada.

I'm asking these questions because I'm not quite sure of the ramifications of doing something like this. It occurs to me that the Dem's would like to give the illegals the right to vote, but not yet give them full citizenship and therefore taxation.. Why are we afraid to tax them? Do the higher powers believe that if we tax them, that they will leave? What gives?

I don't begrudge a man for trying to provide for his family. I do begrudge a government who allows the tax paying citizens to carry the burden of health-care, education, and housing of citizens who are here illegally while the very supporters of those elected officials are benefitting from the cheap labor.

I feel that since they are already here, and I can't see any state physically making the stand and removing them from the country , why not find a way to burden them with the same burdens that we are carrying? They have all the benefits of citizenship-and none of the responsibility.. If the United States is about EQUALITY-show me the equality in illegal immigration..
Part of the problem with granting them all citizenship, as I see it, is that then employers would have to pay them federally mandated minimum wages. So either the price of goods and services increase due to the extra wages (I.E. Inflation), or a whole new crop of illegals willing to take less money for those jobs rolls into the country. In the second scenario, the ones who are now legal citizens are on most likely on welfare because they have no formal training and cant speak the language.
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Re: Texas Will Not Follow Arizona

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Perry says the border needs some attention, yet the Federal Government has failed to secure our borders. The US Constitution has given full authority to the President to protect our borders, so in their failing to do so, doesn't the States have a right to? I'd say Arizona is simply trying to solve the problem brought on by the failure of the US Government to protect its' citizens.
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