Husband of TMS .50 victim launches gun control website

[KaiserB]

One of the tactics used by anti's on anything they are attacking is 'baiting'. Any way they get to you and entice you into calling names or telling them they are ignorant, ranting about their unrealistic view, etc. just helps fuel their fire. As Charles said, emails and printed letters can be used as ammo to try and help them support their views.

The best method is to send factual information in a business like method, sympathizing with their plight but stating your case in the hope of educating them, OR just let them go on their way and hope they will eventually fade away. Most times cool level headed reasoning, even though it may not seem to be working quickly, is the best solution over time.

A good way to defend against this is to respond calmly, and in a helpful manner. Perhaps if we all email him with our support to find the "responsible party", rather than ban the "responsible gun" it may quell this guys anger a bit and turn him to our side... the irony is he is a gun owner. He is quite angry from reading his rant, on the site.... although THE ALL CAPS IS DARN ANNOYING. I say we all email Mel with our prayers and offers to help find the person responsible. Take 2 minutes and type him a brief note: mel@50caldanger.org

It would be ironic to find out the bullet was an errant police training round.

[Jason73]

Im dumbfounded! I'm sorry that his wife was injured but that insanity is not the solution!!!!!!! If we were to apply his reasoning to all accidental injuries nearly everything we own would be banned!

ITS INSANITY!

[Keith B]

It would be ironic to find out the bullet was an errant police training round.

They have the individual and the gun used. He contacted the police earlier to let them know it might be him. Ballistic tests indicated it did come from his gun.

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Dallas-Fort Worth briefs

06:28 AM CST on Friday, November 7, 2008

Scott Goldstein

FORT WORTH

Tests show bullet from man's gun hit woman

Fort Worth police on Thursday confirmed that preliminary ballistics tests indicate a stray bullet that hit a woman at Texas Motor Speedway came from a rifle shot by a 49-year-old Benbrook man.

Fort Worth police are still investigating the case. No charges have been filed against Kennith Jaramillo, said Lt. Paul Henderson, a Fort Worth police spokesman.

Mr. Jaramillo came forward Monday after hearing that Jill King Moss, 62, was hit in her arm by a .50-caliber bullet that pierced the roof of her RV on Sunday, authorities said.

Ms. Moss was taken to Harris Methodist Fort Worth Hospital; she is expected to recover from her injuries.

Mr. Jaramillo told police he was target shooting five miles away from the speedway between 10 and 11 a.m. He fired five or six rounds at a mound of dirt with his .50-caliber single-shot rifle.

Lt. Henderson said Mr. Jaramillo could face charges in the case.

Dan X. McGraw

[WarHawk-AVG]

UPDATE: Fort Worth police are investigating reports from a 49-year-old Benbrook man who says he may be responsible for the stray bullet that hit an Arlington woman Sunday morning at Texas Motor Speedway. Kennith Jaramillo contacted Fort Worth police on Monday after hearing that Jill King Moss, 62, was hit in her arm by a .50-caliber bullet that pierced the roof of her RV, authorities said. Ms. Moss was taken to Harris Methodist Hospital and is expected to recover from her injuries. Given the bullet’s trajectory, Fort Worth police investigators believe the bullet came from a long distance away. Mr. Jaramillo told police he was target shooting five miles away from Texas Motor Speedway between 10 and 11 a.m, said Lt. Paul Henderson, a Fort Worth police spokesman. Mr. Jaramillo fired five or six rounds at a berm, a mound of dirt, with his .50-caliber Vulcan single shot rifle. Fort Worth police confiscated his weapon for ballistics tests. If tests confirm the bullet was fired from his weapon, Mr. Jaramillo could be charged with deadly conduct for recklessly firing a weapon, Lt. Henderson said. Mr. Jaramillo has not been arrested or charged in the incident.(Dallas Morning News)(11-5-2008) Comment here

Broke rule #4
Know your target and whats behind it

5 miles is a LONG way away...that had to be a high angle shot!

Still don't hold the rest of us culpable for someone elses failure to use their firearm properly

[Keith B]

UPDATE: Fort Worth police are investigating reports from a 49-year-old Benbrook man who says he may be responsible for the stray bullet that hit an Arlington woman Sunday morning at Texas Motor Speedway. Kennith Jaramillo contacted Fort Worth police on Monday after hearing that Jill King Moss, 62, was hit in her arm by a .50-caliber bullet that pierced the roof of her RV, authorities said. Ms. Moss was taken to Harris Methodist Hospital and is expected to recover from her injuries. Given the bullet’s trajectory, Fort Worth police investigators believe the bullet came from a long distance away. Mr. Jaramillo told police he was target shooting five miles away from Texas Motor Speedway between 10 and 11 a.m, said Lt. Paul Henderson, a Fort Worth police spokesman. Mr. Jaramillo fired five or six rounds at a berm, a mound of dirt, with his .50-caliber Vulcan single shot rifle. Fort Worth police confiscated his weapon for ballistics tests. If tests confirm the bullet was fired from his weapon, Mr. Jaramillo could be charged with deadly conduct for recklessly firing a weapon, Lt. Henderson said. Mr. Jaramillo has not been arrested or charged in the incident.(Dallas Morning News)(11-5-2008) Comment here

Broke rule #4
Know your target and whats behind it

5 miles is a LONG way away...that had to be a high angle shot!

Still don't hold the rest of us culpable for someone elses failure to use their firearm properly

What I posted above says they have confirmed the bullet was fired from his gun. Now will be interesting to see how it is handled.

[Charles L. Cotton]

I don't think a "Deadly Conduct" charge is viable. Bad results don't automatically constitute statutorily defined "recklessness."

Chas.

Sec. 22.05. DEADLY CONDUCT.

• (a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly engages in conduct that places another in imminent danger of serious bodily injury.
  (b) A person commits an offense if he knowingly discharges a firearm at or in the direction of:
  • (1) one or more individuals; or
    (2) a habitation, building, or vehicle and is reckless as to whether the habitation, building, or vehicle is occupied.
  (c) Recklessness and danger are presumed if the actor knowingly pointed a firearm at or in the direction of another whether or not the actor believed the firearm to be loaded.
  (d) For purposes of this section, "building," "habitation," and "vehicle" have the meanings assigned those terms by Section 30.01.
  (e) An offense under Subsection (a) is a Class A misdemeanor. An offense under Subsection (b) is a felony of the third degree.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

Sec. 6.03. DEFINITIONS OF CULPABLE MENTAL STATES.

• (a) A person acts intentionally, or with intent, with respect to the nature of his conduct or to a result of his conduct when it is his conscious objective or desire to engage in the conduct or cause the result.
  (b) A person acts knowingly, or with knowledge, with respect to the nature of his conduct or to circumstances surrounding his conduct when he is aware of the nature of his conduct or that the circumstances exist. A person acts knowingly, or with knowledge, with respect to a result of his conduct when he is aware that his conduct is reasonably certain to cause the result.
  (c) A person acts recklessly, or is reckless, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he is aware of but consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that its disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor's standpoint.
  (d) A person acts with criminal negligence, or is criminally negligent, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he ought to be aware of a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that the failure to perceive it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor's standpoint.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

[Keith B]

We were discussing this at dinner with some shooters and non-shooter (Obama supporter types.) It really boils down to why the bullet missed the backstop and traveled 5 miles. Terrain, trajectory, etc are all going to play into this. If it was a high shot on the backstop that missed, and the range is elevated from the motor speedway, then it could have just been a freak deal. The fact that it went into the middle of the raceway during a crowded time, then that it hit an individual 5 miles away is a REALLY freak alignment of the planets. 99% of the time there would be no one even around.

[jimlongley]

We were discussing this at dinner with some shooters and non-shooter (Obama supporter types.) It really boils down to why the bullet missed the backstop and traveled 5 miles. Terrain, trajectory, etc are all going to play into this. If it was a high shot on the backstop that missed, and the range is elevated from the motor speedway, then it could have just been a freak deal. The fact that it went into the middle of the raceway during a crowded time, then that it hit an individual 5 miles away is a REALLY freak alignment of the planets. 99% of the time there would be no one even around.

The entry into the RV appears to be a pretty high angle, but where it hit the side looks less so, meaning, to me, that the projectile was deflected by the penetration of the victim's arm. Taking all that into account, and that the projectile did not exit the wall it was found in, I would hazard a guess that the round hit the backstop and was deflected upward resulting in the high arc and relatively low velocity.

[KaiserB]

A good way to defend against this is to respond calmly, and in a helpful manner. Perhaps if we all email him with our support to find the "responsible party", rather than ban the "responsible gun" it may quell this guys anger a bit and turn him to our side... the irony is he is a gun owner. He is quite angry from reading his rant, on the site.... although THE ALL CAPS IS DARN ANNOYING. I say we all email Mel with our prayers and offers to help find the person responsible. Take 2 minutes and type him a brief note: mel@50caldanger.org

It would be ironic to find out the bullet was an errant police training round.

I emailed Mel and received a response. I am ashamed to say his response indicated I was the first in the gun owning community to email him something other than hateful comments towards him and his family. I really think from reading his email he is on the fence regarding many of his comments to "ban 50 calibers." By reaching out in a positive manner we can change the perception of the gun owning community.

[Liberty]

A good way to defend against this is to respond calmly, and in a helpful manner. Perhaps if we all email him with our support to find the "responsible party", rather than ban the "responsible gun" it may quell this guys anger a bit and turn him to our side... the irony is he is a gun owner. He is quite angry from reading his rant, on the site.... although THE ALL CAPS IS DARN ANNOYING. I say we all email Mel with our prayers and offers to help find the person responsible. Take 2 minutes and type him a brief note: mel@50caldanger.org

It would be ironic to find out the bullet was an errant police training round.

I emailed Mel and received a response. I am ashamed to say his response indicated I was the first in the gun owning community to email him something other than hateful comments towards him and his family. I really think from reading his email he is on the fence regarding many of his comments to "ban 50 calibers." By reaching out in a positive manner we can change the perception of the gun owning community.

I am ashamed and embarrassed by the people that wrote nasty letters to this guy. His wife is an unfortunate victim through not fault of their own. Most of us would be looking to blame someone for an accident like this. I do believe that the Brady's latched onto this guy and "helped" him set up his web site. Its a typical leftist technique to find and exploit victims to serve their political agenda. Jim Brady himself was used in this way.

[Morgan]

I'm just glad that someone didn't lose control of a motorcycle and have it crash thru the RV and hit her... I'd hate to have such a reasonable website out there trying to ban motorcycles.

[Rokyudai]

Probably a Brady backed 'mirror site' of some design but I wouldn't fan the flames nonetheless. I wished his wife well. It's the bigger thing to do. The other guy turned his rifle in for testing. He is trying to do the right thing as well.

[Charles L. Cotton]

A good way to defend against this is to respond calmly, and in a helpful manner. Perhaps if we all email him with our support to find the "responsible party", rather than ban the "responsible gun" it may quell this guys anger a bit and turn him to our side... the irony is he is a gun owner. He is quite angry from reading his rant, on the site.... although THE ALL CAPS IS DARN ANNOYING. I say we all email Mel with our prayers and offers to help find the person responsible. Take 2 minutes and type him a brief note: mel@50caldanger.org

It would be ironic to find out the bullet was an errant police training round.

I emailed Mel and received a response. I am ashamed to say his response indicated I was the first in the gun owning community to email him something other than hateful comments towards him and his family. I really think from reading his email he is on the fence regarding many of his comments to "ban 50 calibers." By reaching out in a positive manner we can change the perception of the gun owning community.

Thank you.

Chas.

[ScubaSigGuy]

KaiserB,

Thanks for taking the lead on this. I just sent him an email as well. I sure hope that this thread didn't result in them receiving less than favorable emails.

[ScubaSigGuy]

I already recieved a response back and according to Mel there may be more to this than first reported. I imagine we'll see during the coming weeks.