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Re: How to Identify Linux users on a gun forum.

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G.A. Heath wrote:#3 Linux users who are Glock owners will point out the S&W Sigma pistol as proof the Glock is a standardized design implemented by more than one manufacturer.
Linux users who have the good sense to not be Glock owners will point to the Super Soaker as proof that the Glock is a standardized design implemented badly by more than one company.

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Thank you pbwalker

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Big deal of the day on Let's make a deal rerun was a computer in a console, what in the world was it. Did anyone see it? It was a 70's rerun I guess.

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Longtooth

On the surface, Unix is a computer operating system originaly developed at MIT (along with the c programming language) back in the late 60s. Actually it is a religion and its zealots are more unsufferable than gloc... owners. In addition it has many sub cults based upon versions of the OS created by either small companies or university groups.

As a tool it is marginally acceptable for use, the main drawback being that maintenance and support are either non existant or not mature (in business sense).

It, for a time, was the OS of choice of servers in large lan settings, until Microsoft went after the market.
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Jeremae wrote:Longtooth

As a tool it is marginally acceptable for use, the main drawback being that maintenance and support are either non existant or not mature (in business sense).
Oh I beg to differ on that. Coming from an environment where 60% of our 30,000+ customer servers are Linux, I'd say it is highly acceptable for use. I can see your point for many distros, but in an Enterprise setting Red Hat and Ubuntu (Debian) are both highly supported and once you configure the server to your liking, maintenance is almost non-existent. Both Windows and Linux have its place, but to say Linux is not ready for the prime-time is far from the truth nowadays.
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pbwalker wrote:Coming from an environment where 60% of our 30,000+ customer servers are Linux
Sounds like rackspace.com to me. :smile:

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Anyone who says that Linux/Unix isn't fit for server use apparently knows something that Google, Yahoo, and many other gigantic websites don't know. The aforementioned companies use Linux or FreeBSD or similar nearly exclusively.
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drw wrote:
pbwalker wrote:Coming from an environment where 60% of our 30,000+ customer servers are Linux
Sounds like rackspace.com to me. :smile:
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Redhat Linux is becoming very prevalent in large Govt systems.
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Linux is an operating system that is based on Unix ideas and concepts. There are many Unix and Unix like operating systems and operating systems based on some variation of the theme. These operating systems include, at one time or another, products from Sun, IBM, Microsoft, AT&T, Novell, Berkeley, Apple, Hewlett Packard, and others. Now when you come to Linux, to my knowledge, it scales better than any other operating system out there. You can find Linux on everything from embedded devices to mainframes to super computer clusters. Think of Windows as a Glock, its proprietary and somewhat customizable. Think of Linux as more like a 1911 where you can almost drown in the options and its based on open standards so that anybody who wants to build, tweak, customize, ect. can do so.

Linux users can be fanatical, as can any other group of people who use a specific product, think a certain way, do something others don't (Glock Vs 1911 Vs Revolver, Ford Vs GM Vs Chrysler, Linux Vs Windows Vs MacOS, Christian Vs Jew Vs Muslim, ect). Most of the time We Linux users often remain quite and you never even know we are not like you, yet we are comfortable in the knowledge we are more secure than the majority around us (Kinda Like Concealed Carry).

No matter how you look at it there will always be arrogant, loud mouth, set in their ways people who will attempt to force their views upon you because they are right and you are wrong. Sometimes these people use Linux, Sometimes they use Windows, Sometimes they shoot a glock, Sometimes they shoot a 1911, Sometimes they drive a Ford...
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G.A. Heath wrote:Linux is an operating system that is based on Unix ideas and concepts. There are many Unix and Unix like operating systems and operating systems based on some variation of the theme. These operating systems include, at one time or another, products from Sun, IBM, Microsoft, AT&T, Novell, Berkeley, Apple, Hewlett Packard, and others. Now when you come to Linux, to my knowledge, it scales better than any other operating system out there. You can find Linux on everything from embedded devices to mainframes to super computer clusters. Think of Windows as a Glock, its proprietary and somewhat customizable. Think of Linux as more like a 1911 where you can almost drown in the options and its based on open standards so that anybody who wants to build, tweak, customize, ect. can do so.

Linux users can be fanatical, as can any other group of people who use a specific product, think a certain way, do something others don't (Glock Vs 1911 Vs Revolver, Ford Vs GM Vs Chrysler, Linux Vs Windows Vs MacOS, Christian Vs Jew Vs Muslim, ect). Most of the time We Linux users often remain quite and you never even know we are not like you, yet we are comfortable in the knowledge we are more secure than the majority around us (Kinda Like Concealed Carry).

No matter how you look at it there will always be arrogant, loud mouth, set in their ways people who will attempt to force their views upon you because they are right and you are wrong. Sometimes these people use Linux, Sometimes they use Windows, Sometimes they shoot a glock, Sometimes they shoot a 1911, Sometimes they drive a Ford...
Excellent post! I love the 1911 vs. Glock analogy. And your note about particular users being fanatical about their choice is so true. I think it may be part of the reason that people are slow to move to Linux (on the Desktop) because there is a lot of 'elitist' attitude that a few Linux users have. It's a shame really. I personally see a place for both Linux and Windows in a Production environment and won't blow off either because of an attitude that I 'should' have because I use Linux.

For a good laugh, check out the following video: (edited to add that there are bleeped words in the video)

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Here is your LiveCD List

And CentOS is the "freeware" version of RedHat

Almost 80% of all webservers on the internet (including some M$ webservers) run Linux and Apache!

The community supporting Ubuntu (debian based) has grown astronomically, the is almost nothing that cant be handled by their userbase and forums!

Here is a good comparison of Operating Systems if they were cars
If Cars Were Like Operating Systems
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Win95 - This is the car of yesteryear's yesteryear. Though completely obsolete in every way some people still drive it. It gets 6 mpg, tends to die at odd moments and has a bad habit of catching fire and killing all aboard. Despite these draw backs some owners still have one of these sitting in the garage.

Win98 - This is really just a Win95 model with a slightly better fire-suppression system and a better paint job. Though more advanced than its predecessor major flaws still remain. It might not explode like Win95 did but it does have a tendency to periodically eject you from the car when you go over 55 mph. Oddly enough it too continues to enjoy wide support even though its owners admit that better and cheaper options exist.

Win2000 - This is really just a Win98 model with a much better paint job. Sadly it has numerous problems which were officially renamed "features". Such features include simultaneously blowing out all four tires, the ability to only roll one window down at a time, the option of buying three more seats so that other people can ride in your car and a windshield made of stained glass. Pretty but not very useful. Win2000 was the most reliable WinCar to date. Sadly, like its predecessors it would sometimes turn a bright shade of blue and completely stop working. Many drivers were killed when this happened to them while driving on interstate.

WinME - This was supposed to be the next big thing from WinCars however it turned out to be more like one of those future-cars that people in the 40's thought we would drive 60 years later. It has lots of flash and dash however its completely useless. This model was discontinued because even under best driving conditions when the car was driven according to the manual it would catch fire, blow a tire, roll over, decapitate you with the airbag and then burn itself into slag. You are more likely to see a Win95 model on the road than this thing.

WinXP - Introduced as the latest and greatest from WinCar this was the ultimate in driving experience. Slightly larger than Aircraft Carrier WinXP had the ability to do everything, it just did it poorly. The main downside was the ease with which car thieves could break in and steal your CD player. At first, all they had to do was open the door. After that WinCar did a recall and installed door locks. This didn't help much because people never locked their doors. After crooks started stealing everything that wasn't nailed down and then driving the car into a burning building people started locking their doors. However by this time criminals started using coat hangers. Another recall later and anti-coat hanger devices were installed. Soon criminals had so many different ways of breaking into your car that seperate companies sprung up that existed solely to sell you WinClub and similar anti-theft devices. Sadly this trend has been going on for several years with no end in sight.

WinLonghorn - This car was going to come out shortly after the horde of critical flaws in XP were discovered. This model was to include warp engines, cloaking fields, time travel portals, anti-criminal auto targeting phasers, telepathic interface etc. Sadly, despite legions of workers, no one at WinCar could seem to really implement these ideas. So, after pushing the deadline back by 4 years and cutting most of the features that was to make this model so special WinCar has decided to just rerelease WinXP with a new paint job and hope no one notices.

Mac OS 7.0-9.2 This was the AppleCar equivalent of WinCar's 95,98 and 2000 models. Mac's cars all tended to look the same but were much more reliable than WinCars. Despite being solar powered, coming with custom interiors and stellar reliability sales were sluggish. Many pundits have noticed striking resemblances between a MacCar model and the WinCar model released the next year.

Mac OS X - This is a solar powered, all terrain vehicle that never breaks down and has a crusing speed of 80% the speed of light. Recent editions allow one to not only fly but engage in a high- altitude orbit of the earth. Theft is not a problem because once you exit the car it morphs into a seamless sphere providing no access without the key. Despite having more features than any of the WinCar's products adoption of this model has been also been slow. Though it should be noted that you will never see one of these on the side of the road with a shirt rolled up in the window.

Unix - Originally designed by masochist UnixCar has improved considerably over the years. All models are essentially gun-metal gray cubes with four wheels and a headlight that can inflict fourth degree burns. There is no windshield, instead you navigate using radar and thermal imaging (it takes a little practice to be sure). The first dozen or so models had no gauges, warning lights, indicators or displays at all. Instead that was just one large red bulb that would come on when a problem occurred. Thankfully that feature is long gone (now there are two bulbs!). While not as intuitive as most other manufacturers, UC's continually produces reliable transportation. Though never one to win any beauty awards this baby will get you were you need to go with utmost security.

Linux - One day a large automaker went out of business. Ex-employees raided the place before the lawyers got there and carried off parts and plans to the current generation of cars. Thus one guy eventually built his own car from scratch. Granted, you could still outrun it on a unicycle but it was a start. Over time a large socialist corporation was formed in which everyone created their own car but put a LinuxCar bumper sticker on it anyway. Currently there are over 4,000 different LinuxCars being sold or given away for free. Some resemble the UnixCar cube design, some favor the more flashy WinCar style while others sport a more Mac/UnixCar hybrid look. Linux cars tend to cater to the specialty crowd more so than any other manufacturer. For example SuCsCar's Linux model produces cars that are actually suitcases and can thus fold up and be dragged various places. RedLightCar's Linux model automatically stops at all red lights. KnokItCar's Linux model is merely four wheels, a seat, steering wheel and an engine attached to a frame. It is advisable to wear eye protection to avoid being blinded by bugs when driving this model. NsCar's Linux Model is designed for those speed freaks who never go in reverse only like to turn left. On the whole LinuxCars tend to be reliable and secure but some interfaces can leave something to be desired. People who use this car tend to tinker with their auto all the time. Many times while they are driving down the road much to the confusion of other drivers.
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II just thought I'd jump in because I just built and installed my new computer. I am running Ubuntu Hardy Heron version of Linux. There is much that I like about my new computer and there are some limitations.
It is fast !!! It boots up in 30 seconds. Watching the Vista crap boot is like watching water boil.

It installs real easy. Having multiple desktops makes thing a lot more organized.

I Bought my computer for $400 I didn't shop around much just ordered parts from TigerDirect. Not having to purchase an operating System saves a lot of money.

I haven't been able to get sound working. It could be broken on my motherboard. Research on the internet is pretty helpful.

I have 2 HP printers. A networked office Jet all in one, and an antique Desk Jet 930C. It was the easiest Printer configuration I ever did. No CDs No weird packages just a couple of menu picks and go.

I am still using my most commonly used programs Firefox and OpenOffice. I haven't yet loaded Wine and attempted to get my email program running. I'll work on that this weekend.

I'm finding that its all pretty intuitive and working on multiple workspaces is a lot easier. Mouse scrolling works a lot better than in windows or Mac. In someways the the nuances are a pain in the neck to install the OS I don't believe that Apple is as flexible on so much hardware and Installing MS windows isn't a bucket of joy either.
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Liberty wrote: I haven't been able to get sound working. It could be broken on my motherboard. Research on the internet is pretty helpful.
I've become an 'ol pro at sound issues on a Linux box, so I'd be more than happy to help. Do you know what kind of chipset you have for your soundcard?

There are a few settings to check out too. Make sure your PCM sound is all the way up and that nothing is muted (it get get very finincky)
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pbwalker wrote:Make sure your PCM sound is all the way up and that nothing is muted
That's good advice - this exact thing happened to me once.

Liberty, if you're looking for a mail client, I highly recommend Thunderbird. My wife uses it and loves it. mutt is another good mail program if you're looking for speed and customizability, but be prepared for a steep learning curve.
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