Clean your electricity and save money

[philip964]

https://parketings.com/product/trustvol ... mwYliTb9Vw

This was an ad on Facebook.

Do we have an electrical engineer on board who can clearly say that this is words not allowed on the forum.

Facebook now censors posts and puts a message below them that says fake news or unverifiable.

But let’s ads like this be posted.

Reminds me of the JC Whitney catalogs for the new carb jets that would add 20 hp and increase gas mileage.

[philip964]

Lord since I open the first ad, Facebook is now bomb adding me with this scam.

https://elementcourageupdates.com/Const ... 87dae8c49e

[srothstein]

I am not an electrical engineer, so I know nothing about the claims being made in the ad. But I know that if an ad lies about anything, they are probably lying about it all. The quickest claim to verify is their saying Congress passed a new law allowing the rest of what they claim. On Jul 25, 2019, a bill entitled Residential Energy Stabilization was introduced in the House. It was assigned number HR3962 and promptly referred to 6 different committees. Two of the committees assigned it to subcommittees while the other 4 did nothing. There has been no further action taken on the bill yet. That makes the claim that a law was passed a lie.

The second hint that it is a lie is that it is designed to emulate a CNN article and make people think it is news, not an ad. For some people, this might lend it credibility but I don't trust anything from CNN without verifying it. The fact that they lie by making it look like a CNN article is enough to convince me.

I am convinced by the lies that the device being advertised is manure. However, I do believe (not provable by me just a belief) that if the incoming electricity were directed to a battery bank just to charge it, then the battery bank was used to drive an inverter to give good quality sine wave AC power, it would save the devices in the house from some of the problems with our AC lines. I learned this with uninterruptible power supplies for computers and it seems to work there, even better than surge protectors do.

[strogg]

Bottom line, the articles are scammy and filled with lies, but power factor is something people should be aware of. Although 10% power factor? Um... no. The average power factor you'd see today is 70-90%. Despite that, correcting it has already been accomplished in the past few decades or will cost more to correct than will be saved.

They basically took a somewhat confusing concept (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor) and turned it into a giant cluster as a marketing ploy.

[03Lightningrocks]

I'll tell ya'll a funny story about power factors. Around 25 years ago during the early days of Air conditioning efficiency ratings being improved, Lennox put out a newer model 2 speed air conditioner. We started getting complaints from people that their bills had increased from their old 2 speed unit. So we found out that the new units were drawing 31 run load amps while running in high speed and 20 plus amps while running in low speed. The older units drew around 16-20 amps in high speed and around 10-12 in low speed. Lennox responded by telling everyone the new units were more efficient due to the power factor but never bothered to explain why a customers cooling cost were almost doubling with the new units. It was a complete load of garbage. The next model 2 speed units were back down to drawing the same or less than the older models. The complaints of bills doubling suddenly stopped. Go figure.

[MAFWG]

Like any good scam, there is some truth in this article. But most of it is bunk (I can say that word, can't I? Although I thought a different one...). Power factor correction is an issue for large facilities that use a lot of motors. It is NOT an issue for a normal residence.

To put it simply, the electric company measures your current consumption, not your power usage. As long as current and voltage are in phase, power and current are directly related. However, if current gets out of phase (which can happen with an inductive load like a large motor), then the measured current consumption is proportionally larger than the actual power usage. Using a capacitor bank (or a LOT of fluorescent lights) to shift the current back into phase with the voltage (essentially offsetting the inductance of the motors) will result in lower electric bills. But this is only a problem if you have a bunch of very high horsepower electric motors.

Also, I do have a degree in electrical engineering and am a licensed professional engineer in Texas and a few other states. So you should blindly believe EVERYTHING I tell you.

[philip964]

Like any good scam, there is some truth in this article. But most of it is bunk (I can say that word, can't I? Although I thought a different one...). Power factor correction is an issue for large facilities that use a lot of motors. It is NOT an issue for a normal residence.

To put it simply, the electric company measures your current consumption, not your power usage. As long as current and voltage are in phase, power and current are directly related. However, if current gets out of phase (which can happen with an inductive load like a large motor), then the measured current consumption is proportionally larger than the actual power usage. Using a capacitor bank (or a LOT of fluorescent lights) to shift the current back into phase with the voltage (essentially offsetting the inductance of the motors) will result in lower electric bills. But this is only a problem if you have a bunch of very high horsepower electric motors.

Also, I do have a degree in electrical engineering and am a licensed professional engineer in Texas and a few other states. So you should blindly believe EVERYTHING I tell you.

Thank you licensed professional engineer MAFWG.

I didn’t see how any little outlet thingie was going to do anything.

Back in the ‘70’s you could buy two kinds of motors ordinary and high power factor. The high power factor one saved you money on electricity. I assume today with high SEER rating being required and desired, Everything is high power factor.

You can buy a outlet plug in solar array that I guess has a maximum of 1600 watts. It is suppose to back feed your entire electric system and save you 1600 watts/hr when the sun is out. Supposedly you just plug it in ( most likely an outdoor plug) supposedly no permit required or transfer switch or anything.

But it’s like $3000 on Amazon. 1.6 KWh what costs $0.30 an hour times 5 hours = $1.50 a day when it’s sunny.

[Keith B]

Like any good scam, there is some truth in this article. But most of it is bunk (I can say that word, can't I? Although I thought a different one...). Power factor correction is an issue for large facilities that use a lot of motors. It is NOT an issue for a normal residence.

To put it simply, the electric company measures your current consumption, not your power usage. As long as current and voltage are in phase, power and current are directly related. However, if current gets out of phase (which can happen with an inductive load like a large motor), then the measured current consumption is proportionally larger than the actual power usage. Using a capacitor bank (or a LOT of fluorescent lights) to shift the current back into phase with the voltage (essentially offsetting the inductance of the motors) will result in lower electric bills. But this is only a problem if you have a bunch of very high horsepower electric motors.

Also, I do have a degree in electrical engineering and am a licensed professional engineer in Texas and a few other states. So you should blindly believe EVERYTHING I tell you.

And I’m a licensed electrician. Agree 100% with this. Only dealing with motors. The equipment to stabilize the phase current properly will cost you way more than you would save in a residential scenario. Here is a good video on this ‘fallacy’ for the average consumer

[ET-Ret]

Test to see I I get on.

[OneGun]

Here is one way to tell its a scam. The first link took me to a mock-up of a Foxnews Article, but the URL was not in the foxnew.com domain.
The second time I looked at the first link, it took me to a mock-up of a CNN webpage. Again the URL was not the cnn.com domain.

[Grayling813]

The first clue was that the ad was on Fakebook.

[philip964]

The first clue was that the ad was on Fakebook.

But Facebook fact checks every post about Trump, Coronavirus, Global Warming, and China.