Patreus. For Common Sense Gun Control?

[mojo84]

Anyone else see or hear about this? I know many generals are more politicians than soldiers at that level.

http://danaloeschradio.com/why-general- ... t-position

Why General Petraeus Is An Unacceptable Candidate For Any Cabinet Position
Why General Petraeus Is An Unacceptable Candidate For Any Cabinet Position

When you don't fully support gun rights, that's a deal breaker, no matter who you are. From Stripes:

A group of former senior military officials and veterans, including Gens. David Petraeus and Stanley McChrystal, have launched a veteran-focused gun law initiative.

The initiative, Veterans Coalition for Common Sense, is spearheaded by Capt. Mark Kelly, a former Navy combat pilot and astronaut whose wife, Rep. Gabby Giffords, D-Ariz., was the target of an assassination attempt in 2011.

The couple jointly formed Americans for Responsible Solutions, a gun control advocacy group in the wake of the Newtown, Connecticut shootings in 2012 that left 27 dead, most of them children.

The new gun control initiative, which is a rip off of another veterans' advocacy group, is from Mark Kelly and Gabby Giffords's other gun control group, Americans for Responsible Solutions.

Petraeus is currently being considered for Secretary of State. Why is his stance, a potential Secretary of State's stance on gun control important? Perhaps you've heard of the UN arms treaty?

[TexasJohnBoy]

Other than that, he mishandled classified information which is exactly what you lambasted your opponent for.

This guy is disqualified twice. Bad choice.

[Skiprr]

I hesitate to post the link, but, http://americansforresponsiblesolutions ... /veterans/. And, yep, Petraeus's name is front and center. Scroll down a bit to see the names of all the Advisory Committee members.

And an organization incorporated in 2003, Veterans for Common Sense (http://veteransforcommonsense.org/), is none too happy about the choice of names:

To the best of our understanding, it appears that the leaders of a different organization, “Americans for Responsible Solutions” (http://www.americansforresponsiblesolutions.org), have recently announced a new initiative. It is unfortunate that they have apparently chosen to name their new initiative, “Veterans Coalition for Common Sense“, which is very similar to and potentially infringing upon the name of our longstanding national organization, Veterans for Common Sense (VCS) (http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org).

To clarify, the “Veterans Coalition for Common Sense” initiative is entirely unrelated to, separate, and distinct from our Veterans for Common Sense (VCS) organization, which was founded in 2002 by a group of war veterans, incorporated in Washington, DC in 2003, and has been operating continuously in support of our mission since that time. VCS has been active in supporting current and former military service members, educating the media and the public, testifying before Congress more than 30 times, and has been frequently quoted in the national press.

It is truly unfortunate that leaders of the other organization chose to use a name so similar to ours, which is already causing confusion. We have already received numerous communications intended for their organization.

In the best interest of both organizations, and to prevent future confusion by policymakers, the press, and the public, we hope that Americans for Responsible Solutions will modify the name of their new initiative to prevent further confusion.

[E10]

Generals and admirals are all about control. That's how they got there. Most of 'em aren't gun guys, and they don't understand those who are. The military has some of of the most restrictive gun control policies you can imagine - register POWs (personally owned weapons) with provost martial, secure them in the arms room, special permission to store them in on-post housing (even officers and senior NCOs), no such thing as a carry permit. Never assume that those in the "Profession of Arms" these days care a whit about the Second Amendment. COL Keith would be an anomaly toiday.

[The Annoyed Man]

I hesitate to post the link, but, http://americansforresponsiblesolutions ... /veterans/. And, yep, Petraeus's name is front and center. Scroll down a bit to see the names of all the Advisory Committee members.

And an organization incorporated in 2003, Veterans for Common Sense (http://veteransforcommonsense.org/), is none too happy about the choice of names:

To the best of our understanding, it appears that the leaders of a different organization, “Americans for Responsible Solutions” (http://www.americansforresponsiblesolutions.org), have recently announced a new initiative. It is unfortunate that they have apparently chosen to name their new initiative, “Veterans Coalition for Common Sense“, which is very similar to and potentially infringing upon the name of our longstanding national organization, Veterans for Common Sense (VCS) (http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org).

To clarify, the “Veterans Coalition for Common Sense” initiative is entirely unrelated to, separate, and distinct from our Veterans for Common Sense (VCS) organization, which was founded in 2002 by a group of war veterans, incorporated in Washington, DC in 2003, and has been operating continuously in support of our mission since that time. VCS has been active in supporting current and former military service members, educating the media and the public, testifying before Congress more than 30 times, and has been frequently quoted in the national press.

It is truly unfortunate that leaders of the other organization chose to use a name so similar to ours, which is already causing confusion. We have already received numerous communications intended for their organization.

In the best interest of both organizations, and to prevent future confusion by policymakers, the press, and the public, we hope that Americans for Responsible Solutions will modify the name of their new initiative to prevent further confusion.

I'm confused. Are they confused, or are they not? It sounds like they need a shakeup in their department of redundancy department.

[anygunanywhere]

General Betrayus.

[bblhd672]

Trump getting dangerously close to backtracking on every single issue he rallied a base around. Appointing an anti-gunner to any cabinet position is a no-go.

[Jusme]

Trump getting dangerously close to backtracking on every single issue he rallied a base around. Appointing an anti-gunner to any cabinet position is a no-go.

I haven't given in to anything reported on MSM regarding Trump's choices. They are still locked out of his inner sanctum (where they should be) and they can't stand it. Trump is doing his due diligence in selecting his people. He has met with several, and probably spoken by phone to countless others. Some who disagree with him are probably getting the "get on board or get run over" speech.
The media is just grasping at straws with everyone they see walk into Trump tower. We will know soon enough who he has selected, and also whether or not he is truly backtracking on anything. The left is so afraid that he will follow through on everything he said he would do, anything they can make up, or take out of context to make him look like he is waffling, they will use. JMHO

[mojo84]

The problem is Dana Loesch is not part of MSM. She is an NRA commentator and strong gun rights advocate. I also would not consider Stripes a part of MSM.

I have seen nothing to refute Trump is considering Patraeus as one of his options for SOS. Whether he chooses him, only time will tell.

Seems Petraeus got involved in gun control efforts well before the election. Shouldn't we apply the same litmus test to potential cabinet prospects as we do other elected officials?

https://www.google.com/search?q=petraeu ... e&ie=UTF-8

[E.Marquez]

Generals and admirals are all about control. That's how they got there. Most of 'em aren't gun guys, and they don't understand those who are. The military has some of of the most restrictive gun control policies you can imagine - register POWs (personally owned weapons) with provost martial, secure them in the arms room, special permission to store them in on-post housing (even officers and senior NCOs), no such thing as a carry permit. Never assume that those in the "Profession of Arms" these days care a whit about the Second Amendment. COL Keith would be an anomaly toiday.

Just to be clear...... you're not entirely wrong.. however.
"register POWs (personally owned weapons) with provost martial"
Only if they are on post..current law forbids a commander from even ASKING the servicemember if they have weapons off the installation.
"secure them in the arms room"
Only if the service member resides in a barracks room
"special permission to store them in on-post housing (even officers and senior NCOs)"
No such restriction or permission is needed on any stateside installation. Every post policy I have ever read, and that would be a lot of them...is clear, POWs stored in family housing must be secured, but no special permission is required to have them.
"no such thing as a carry permit"
I'll assume you mean on post..and that WAS correct up until a few days ago. But besides that..I had a concealed carry permit for 22 of my 28 years in the service.
"Never assume that those in the "Profession of Arms" these days care a whit about the Second Amendment."
I won't even dignify that statement with a response.



EDIT: that is from the Army perspective, 1985-2015..It may not be accurate for the other services or other date ranges.

[bblhd672]

Trump getting dangerously close to backtracking on every single issue he rallied a base around. Appointing an anti-gunner to any cabinet position is a no-go.

I haven't given in to anything reported on MSM regarding Trump's choices. They are still locked out of his inner sanctum (where they should be) and they can't stand it. Trump is doing his due diligence in selecting his people. He has met with several, and probably spoken by phone to countless others. Some who disagree with him are probably getting the "get on board or get run over" speech.
The media is just grasping at straws with everyone they see walk into Trump tower. We will know soon enough who he has selected, and also whether or not he is truly backtracking on anything. The left is so afraid that he will follow through on everything he said he would do, anything they can make up, or take out of context to make him look like he is waffling, they will use. JMHO

Yeah, I keep forgetting that Trump isn't (wasn't) a politician, so he may be playing an entirely different game than we are used to seeing. I am hoping that he is really that smart and wily that he can play the media like that.

[Redneck_Buddha]

Will he have to check with his probation officer before traveling abroad?

[Jusme]

The problem is Dana Loesch is not part of MSM. She is an NRA commentator and strong gun rights advocate. I also would not consider Stripes a part of MSM.

I have seen nothing to refute Trump is considering Patreus as one of his options for SOS. Whether he chooses him, only time will tell.

Oh I'm not doubting anyone as to their thoughts on Patreus, or even the source, I have a lot of respect for Dana Loesch but unless, she sat in on the meeting, she can't truly know for sure, what was discussed. I think Trump is covering all bases, some of these people may have sought a meeting with him, such as Romney. My point being, that there has been so much speculation, and so much second guessing. Trump has proven all of his detractors wrong so far, including those in the Republican party. I am just taking a wait and see attitude. Since Trump hasn't contacted me to get any of my opinions, or suggestions, I can't definitely say what his plan is. I too will be watching, to see how it plays out, but I am just not going to get too excited about who he meets with on any particular day. JMHO

[mojo84]

Jusme,
I agree. I was just sharing my surprised Patraeus is as involved in gun control efforts. Considering this, I would hate to see him as SOS whether or other cabinet postion whether or not Trump is actually considering him or not.

Also, I am disapointed in Trump's selection of McConnell's wife for a cabinet position. Just because I voted for Trump over Hillary, doesn't mean he isn't going to make some decisions with which I disagree or find disappointing. I consider McConnell one of the leaders of the swamp and appointing his wife to a cabinet position is contradictory to Trump's "drain the swamp" promise.

This doesn't mean I am trashing Trump or dissing his entire body of work as the president before he is even sworn in.

[gljjt]

Other than that, he mishandled classified information which is exactly what you lambasted your opponent for.

This guy is disqualified twice. Bad choice.

^^^ This