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Woman Chases Dog Down In Car, And Shoots It
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:39 pm
by Renegade
Woman gets in car chases little dog, and shoots it. Then goes on TV and describes herself as a "Responsible Handgun Carrier".
Video Link, No Text:
http://www.wfaa.com/perl/common/video/w ... led_mo.wmv
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:15 pm
by one eyed fatman
Guess you had to be there...
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:28 am
by Trainman
Moral of the story: Keep your animals locked up on your own property for their own safety, and others. They are dumb animals - up to the owner to protect them.
IF the media is reporting the complete and factual story (which is ALWAYS in question) it was an unwise choice on the part of the woman shooter.
My .02
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:15 pm
by ElGato
She say's that she is a responsible gun carrier, I hope that dosen't mean that she has a CHL, the anti's could get a lot of mileage out of that.
Tomcat
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:34 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
ElGato wrote:She say's that she is a responsible gun carrier, I hope that dosen't mean that she has a CHL, the anti's could get a lot of mileage out of that.
Tomcat
Amen to that!
Chas.
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:58 pm
by tehlump
'little dog'?
It was a chow/lab mix, from the picture I would guess it ran 60lbs+
The woman documented a history of complaints regarding the dog attacking neighborhood animals, she witnessed the dog running loose, once again acting vicious and decided to end the problem. (according to her statements and the other witness)
Where is the problem? I thought that TX law says that any animal running loose endangering people, livestock or pets can be killed.
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:05 pm
by gigag04
tehlump wrote:'little dog'?
It was a chow/lab mix, from the picture I would guess it ran 60lbs+
The woman documented a history of complaints regarding the dog attacking neighborhood animals, she witnessed the dog running loose, once again acting vicious and decided to end the problem. (according to her statements and the other witness)
Where is the problem? I thought that TX law says that any animal running loose endangering people, livestock or pets can be killed.
+1 I didnt see what the big deal was. My thought after viewing the clip was "so?"
Maybe I'm missing something.
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:05 pm
by HighVelocity
This is REALLY close to my house. If I had been on the sidewalk and seen that woman running down a dog in her car while shooting at it... I cannot really say what I would have done. Yeah, people need to take care of their animals but this is over the line imho.
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:47 pm
by tehlump
where did you get that she 'ran down a dog in her car while shooting at it'? I didn't get that impression from the video...I guess that just proves that two people can watch the same clip and come away with two entirely different opinions.
I'm at home now and am on dialup so I'll have to wait till tomorrow at the office to watch the vid again.
Using your description I get the mental image of the woman careening through the neighborhood shooting out the window like an old time gangster movie. I doubt that's what happened.
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:38 am
by KBCraig
HighVelocity wrote:This is REALLY close to my house. If I had been on the sidewalk and seen that woman running down a dog in her car while shooting at it...
Nothing in evidence so far supports the picture you've painted.
Despite the slightly sympathetic skew towards the owner of the deceased dog, the fact remains that
NO chow mix is ever 100% harmless. I happen to like chows, and I've known some very sweet ones. But even the best of them have that hidden trigger, that makes them want to eat another dog, or a cat, or the neighbor's kid, or you.
The dog owner claimed her dog was old and ill and couldn't jump an inch... and yet another lady being interview confronted that very dog lunging against her fence, teeth bared.
Was the lady who killed the dog justified? Idano. None of us were there. Substitute the Paul Saustrup case here, and how that was reported in the media, and Ronnie Earle's best try to nail him. From media reports, would we believe Saustrup was anything but a cold-blooded killer, gunning down a man in the back?
Beware what you see on TV, or read in the news. Overcome the ostensible; challenge the conventional; question the status quo.
Kevin
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:21 am
by HighVelocity
none of us were there
Yep. We'll just have to wait and se if she faces any charges.
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:27 am
by HighVelocity
Neighbor kills FW woman's dog
06:55 PM CDT on Tuesday, October 4, 2005
By YOLANDA WALKER / WFAA-TV
WFAA-TV
Tiffany Moore's dog Cuda (inset) was shot and killed after he got loose in the neighborhood. Fort Worth police are investigating a shooting late last week that left a dog dead and its owner upset.
Tiffany Moore, who lives in the Handley-Meadowbrook neighborhood off of Loop 820, lost her dog Cuda when he was shot and killed last Friday morning.
"He was just a really friendly dog," Moore said.
But neighbors said the Chow/yellow Lab mix got out of her garage and went on a tear around the neighborhood.
One nearby resident said she confronted the dog in her backyard.
He was lunging at the fence, all teeth bared," the unidentifed neighbor said. "When I tried to shoo him away, he wouldn't go."
Also Online
Yolanda Walker reports
Moore said the eight-year-old Cuda has health problems, and she doubts he could be that ferocious.
"My animal can't even jump an inch off the ground," she said.
Debbie Mosley said the dog tried to attack her cats, and that's when she made a spur-of-the-moment decision: she got in her car, followed Cuda and shot him in the stomach.
"It's the absolute last thing I would have ever wanted to do," Mosley said. "Being a responsible handgun carrier, I wouldn't ever do that unless I felt it was a situation that needed to be remedied right then."
Google Earth Mosley said she's an avid animal lover, but after losing a cat to a white dog in the neighborhood, she feared Cuda would hurt someone.
"I have witnessed the violence of the dogs on one than more occasion, going back three years," she said, adding that she has filed numerous complaints.
However, Moore said it's unfair to target every dog in the neighborhood.
"There are large white dogs all in the neighborhood ... you don't shoot the animals," she said. "I cannot believe that someone would just take matters into their own hands like that."
Fort Worth police are investigating the case, and said they plan to take it to the district attorney's office. If the district attorney accepts it, it would be an animal cruelty charge.
http://www.wfaa.com/s/dws/news/localnew ... 9b951.html
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:35 am
by Lumberjack98
gigag04 wrote:I didnt see what the big deal was. My thought after viewing the clip was "so?"
Maybe I'm missing something.
+1
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:45 am
by Paladin
for all those who think Debbie Mosley's actions were wrong/illegal:
"TX HEALTH & S § 822.013
(a) A dog or coyote that is attacking, is about to attack, or has recently attacked livestock, domestic animals, or fowls may be killed by:
(1) any person witnessing the attack; or
(2) the attacked animal's owner or a person acting on behalf of the owner if the owner or person has knowledge of the attack.
(b) A person who kills a dog or coyote as provided by this section is not liable for damages to the owner, keeper, or person in control of the dog or coyote.
(c) A person who discovers on the person's property a dog or coyote known or suspected of having killed livestock, domestic animals, or fowls may detain or impound the dog or coyote and return it to its owner or deliver the dog or coyote to the local animal control authority. The owner of the dog or coyote is liable for all costs incurred in the capture and care of the dog or coyote and all damage done by the dog or coyote.
(d) The owner, keeper, or person in control of a dog or coyote that is known to have attacked livestock, domestic animals, or fowls shall control the dog or coyote in a manner approved by the local animal control authority.
(e) A person is not required to acquire a hunting license under Section 42.002, Parks and Wildlife Code, to kill a dog or coyote under this section."
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Personally I think Tiffany Moore should be brought up on charges. You can't let dangerous animals on the loose in a neighborhood. Once is a accident. Apparently the problem has gone back 3 years and with numerous complaints and nothing was done. That should be criminal negligence in my opinion. Think of the people, kids, and animals that Moore needlessly put in danger.
From what I've read Debbie Mosley deserves an award.
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:54 pm
by Renegade
Paladin wrote:for all those who think Debbie Mosley's actions were wrong/illegal:
"TX HEALTH & S § 822.013
(a) A dog or coyote that is attacking, is about to attack, or has recently attacked livestock, domestic animals, or fowls may be killed by:
Exactly, the dog did NOT meet any of these conditions, by her own admission she killed it because she "feared Cuda would hurt someone". That is not a valid reason as the law you quote points out.
If you saw the video, there were dogs roaming all over the neighborhood, and as she said it was a "spur-of-the-moment" decision, not an act of defense of other animals or people.
Seems obvious this was a case of frustration with dog owners not keeping their dogs secured, not any threat to life or property.
Paladin wrote:
That should be criminal negligence in my opinion. Think of the people, kids, and animals that Moore needlessly put in danger.
Definitely the shooter was negligent. Given the absence of a of meeting the requirements of the Health Code, discharging a firearm on a residential street is not the actions of a "responsible handgun carrier". It was an act of negligence, and we are lucky no other people or kids were injured from this unnecessary and reckless act.
Call the cops; CHLs discharging firearms on residential streets when no lie is in danger is NOT a good thing.