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So I met some friends last Saturday at the UA Cinema on LBJ in Dallas to see Dunkirk and noticed their 30-07 sign on the right set of doors as I went in. I thought I was good to go. Saw the movie, then when we were in the parking lot after the show I happened to look back at the front of the building and saw the 30-06 sign about 40 feet away from the door I had entered. It was on the opposite side of the ticket booth. Even if I had entered through those doors the sign was so low and away from the doors I don't think even then I would have noticed. The wording on the signs was correct. Does anyone else have issues like this happen to them?

If you're talking about the UA on LBJ and Jupiter (I think that's the right exit), that happened to me too. The main door is 30.07 so I thought I was good to go. i didn't notice the sign you reference so maybe it is new.

I have. Just like you, there have been a couple of times I didn't see the sign until I was leaving, due to where it was posted, the size and/or color (e.g. white letters on glass). I don't lose any sleep over it; it's too late to do anything about it at that point, and in my opinion, it doesn't meet the letter of the law. 30.06.(3).(b).(iii) stipulates the sign must be "displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public." I think a reasonable person would agree that a small sign, close to the ground, 40' away from the entrance doesn't meet that criteria.

It was clearly not conspicuously posted and therefore not valid.

I'm not trying to contradict or argue with anyone but just clarifying in case a newbie reads this post. If the 30.06 sign meets the size, contrasting letters, and wording requirements it can be posted anywhere on the property as long as it is conspicuous. Being 40' from the doors still may be conspicuous. If a LTC holder walks by it unknowingly and leaves once they see it no offense has been committed since they left once they received notice. They cannot return at another time carrying unless the signs are removed, etc.

If it's not already on Texas3006.com, would be nice if someone posted it along with a picture for others to know.

When I arrived, I looked, I mean actually looked, for a 30-06 sign. The thing is not only was the sign so far away from the ticket booth and the right hand entrance, but the building even curves, adding to the inability to see it even more. Oh well.

Dreamer42 wrote:When I arrived, I looked, I mean actually looked, for a 30-06 sign. The thing is not only was the sign so far away from the ticket booth and the right hand entrance, but the building even curves, adding to the inability to see it even more. Oh well.

One of the medical buildings that my wife has to go to has a similar setup. The sign, while compliant from a letter size and contrast perspective, is in a hallway on the far side of the main lobby from the main entrance doors. It is very easy to walk past because it is so far away from the entrance and there are other signs around it . If it is "conspicuous", it is only so after you know it is there. Most of the other medical buildings, including the other set of offices for this particular doctor, have the white letters on glass on the entrance door. Interestingly, this office does not have a 30.07 sign. My guess is that you would last less than 2 minutes if you walked in OC.

Some places seem to believe that "close enough is good enough" regarding their requirements to prevent carrying.

chasfm11 wrote:

Some places seem to believe that "close enough is good enough" regarding their requirements to prevent carrying.

I wonder how many places post to appease the gun fearing people, or insurance companies, or, or... but really don't care if you carry? My work is posted with only a gun buster sign, but on all the doors. I can't carry because it is in the handbook and annual training on vehicles. The signs give me the message "we prefer you don't carry, but we are not going to make a big issue if you do." At least for visitors.

NNT wrote:

chasfm11 wrote:

Some places seem to believe that "close enough is good enough" regarding their requirements to prevent carrying.

I wonder how many places post to appease the gun fearing people, or insurance companies, or, or... but really don't care if you carry? My work is posted with only a gun buster sign, but on all the doors. I can't carry because it is in the handbook and annual training on vehicles. The signs give me the message "we prefer you don't carry, but we are not going to make a big issue if you do." At least for visitors.

That may be part of it, but because of the hew and cry from business associations etc, regarding how "ugly" huge, compliant signs would be, I think they just don't want them out in front of their stylish entries. There is also the ignorance factor, for those who really don't understand who they are prohibiting, and believe that there is some sort of enhancement penalty, for any criminals who commit crimes with guns.
Whenever I enter an unfamiliar business, if it's not listed, on 30.06.com, I check the entry, and if I don't see any signs, I don't search the rest of the establishment for signs. JMHO

NNT wrote:

chasfm11 wrote:

Some places seem to believe that "close enough is good enough" regarding their requirements to prevent carrying.

I wonder how many places post to appease the gun fearing people, or insurance companies, or, or... but really don't care if you carry? My work is posted with only a gun buster sign, but on all the doors. I can't carry because it is in the handbook and annual training on vehicles. The signs give me the message "we prefer you don't carry, but we are not going to make a big issue if you do." At least for visitors.

My company posts it in the handbook too. The handbook also says that parking lots are off limits. Since we are not one of the industries that is statutorily exempt from the employer parking lot law, I ignore the parking lot part of the notice. State law trumps company policy. That being said, the company is headquartered in a state other than Texas. They may not know all the legalities of things in Texas. That could be the reason some post the gun-buster signs. Since they MAY apply in other states, they have no legal weight here in Texas.

While state law trumps company policy, it only means they cannot charge you with a crime. They can, however, invoke the Texas "at will" to work, and fire you summarily for violating company policy if they found out. Or they can just fire you for no stated reason.

Jusme wrote:

NNT wrote:

chasfm11 wrote:

Some places seem to believe that "close enough is good enough" regarding their requirements to prevent carrying.

I wonder how many places post to appease the gun fearing people, or insurance companies, or, or... but really don't care if you carry? My work is posted with only a gun buster sign, but on all the doors. I can't carry because it is in the handbook and annual training on vehicles. The signs give me the message "we prefer you don't carry, but we are not going to make a big issue if you do." At least for visitors.

That may be part of it, but because of the hew and cry from business associations etc, regarding how "ugly" huge, compliant signs would be, I think they just don't want them out in front of their stylish entries. There is also the ignorance factor, for those who really don't understand who they are prohibiting, and believe that there is some sort of enhancement penalty, for any criminals who commit crimes with guns.
Whenever I enter an unfamiliar business, if it's not listed, on 30.06.com, I check the entry, and if I don't see any signs, I don't search the rest of the establishment for signs. JMHO

I guess that it comes down to two considerations: do I want to follow the law and how much risk am I willing to take. One can easily argue that the sign not being on the front door means that it is invalid. I did not have the opportunity to disarm before entering because I didn't know that I needed to. But the common sense side of things suggests that almost all medical buildings are posted and it is just a matter of where they hide the sign. If the sign exists, whether it was truly in a conspicuous location or not, my risk goes up if I am so how detected (yes, I know that concealed is concealed) because I believe that of all of the places that would prosecute me for failure to comply with the sign, a medical group is the most likely I was in a kidney specialist office last week that had a fairly well hidden 30.07 sign but no 30.06. I have no doubt that they would have call LEO if they figured out that I was CC based on the gun buster sign on the front door and that they did post the 30.07 sign. I've talked with our chief of police and he says that his officers will follow the law, not what someone else things the law is (our discussion was about 30.06 signs made invalid after OC.)

Even the movie theaters who post the signs in the correct places often bend the rules. The AMC in Highland Village has the 30.06 on the front door but in order to meet the 1" letter requirement and still keep the sign in a small space, they slammed the letters so close together that it makes my eyes cross trying to read it. Does it meet the the letter of compliance (sorry, couldn't resist)? Yes but since the intent was to be able to read the sign from a distance and you cannot even read it up close, it fails to accomplish the stated purpose. If you stand back about 10 feet from the sign, it appears as though it is written in one of the picture languages.

oohrah wrote:While state law trumps company policy, it only means they cannot charge you with a crime. They can, however, invoke the Texas "at will" to work, and fire you summarily for violating company policy if they found out. Or they can just fire you for no stated reason.

If they fire you and state the reason is for having a handgun in your vehicle, you definitely have a case, if you have an LTC/CHL. As far as making Insurance companies happy, it has been asked for proof that a Insurance company has this requirement, to no avail. IMHO, until proven, anyone stating, to you, that it is for insurance reasons is either ignorant or lying.

Dreamer42 wrote:... then when we were in the parking lot after the show I happened to look back at the front of the building and saw the 30-06 sign about 40 feet away from the door I had entered. It was on the opposite side of the ticket booth. Even if I had entered through those doors the sign was so low and away from the doors I don't think even then I would have noticed. The wording on the signs was correct. Does anyone else have issues like this happen to them?

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