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Hi all,

I tried searching for this topic, but couldn't find anything regarding my question. I recently went to a Domino's Pizza after work to grab dinner & there they were on the front doors... a legit 30.06 & a 30.07. My question though is... If you post a 30.06 which states you can't bring a concealed carry gun into the facility in the 1st place... WHY would you need to post a 30.07? Logic dictates to me that you don't want me bringing a weapon that's concealed into your place, why would I bring it in openly?! That would be WAY worse to me... That's how I'm reading it anyway. Is that Texas law? You have to post both if you don't want any guns what so ever on premises? If anyone could clear that up for me, I'd appreciate it.

Sorry If it's a confusing question, I personally still can't get over a Domino's take out place not wanting anyone to carry in the 10' front area you stand in when waiting to pick up your pizza...

They do not have to post them together. I agree, a 30.06 sign by itself to me is a "no guns at all" sign in my opinion. A 30.07 means they just don't want to see it which doesn't bother me at all. Posting both is just making double sure that the most law abiding citizens know they are not welcome when carrying a handgun.

ok, Thanks!

I would think it'd be another way for sign companies to make more money on businesses or something, but to me, it just seems redundant.

AshMan wrote:ok, Thanks!

I would think it'd be another way for sign companies to make more money on businesses or something, but to me, it just seems redundant.

I don't have any links, but I do think I recall hearing of sign companies selling "bundles" with both signs and rumors of certain groups telling businesses that they had to post both to prevent open carry after Jan 1.

I don't have references handy though, so dont quote me!

AshMan wrote:ok, Thanks!

I would think it'd be another way for sign companies to make more money on businesses or something, but to me, it just seems redundant.

30.07 is for no open carry, while I agree with TexasJohnBoy most of the time it means no guns. You would not be breaking any law if they only have 30.06 and you decided to OC there but you would most likely be asked to leave.

30.06 means they don't deserve your money and you should go somewhere else anyway!

george72 wrote:30.06 means they don't deserve your money and you should go somewhere else anyway!

Oh yeah, We haven't eaten there since. Plus a Mod Pizza just opened up. pretty good stuff.

vjallen75 wrote:

AshMan wrote:ok, Thanks!

I would think it'd be another way for sign companies to make more money on businesses or something, but to me, it just seems redundant.

30.07 is for no open carry, while I agree with TexasJohnBoy most of the time it means no guns. You would not be breaking any law if they only have 30.06 and you decided to OC there but you would most likely be asked to leave.

I guess you have the extra caveat of hospitals, court houses, post offices that post the 30.06, but is explicitly stated that you do not carry in those places whatsoever. If you were to open carry in a & argue that you technically can, you'd still be met by officers.

AshMan wrote:Hi all,

I tried searching for this topic, but couldn't find anything regarding my question. I recently went to a Domino's Pizza after work to grab dinner & there they were on the front doors... a legit 30.06 & a 30.07. My question though is... If you post a 30.06 which states you can't bring a concealed carry gun into the facility in the 1st place... WHY would you need to post a 30.07? Logic dictates to me that you don't want me bringing a weapon that's concealed into your place, why would I bring it in openly?! That would be WAY worse to me... That's how I'm reading it anyway. Is that Texas law? You have to post both if you don't want any guns what so ever on premises? If anyone could clear that up for me, I'd appreciate it.

Sorry If it's a confusing question, I personally still can't get over a Domino's take out place not wanting anyone to carry in the 10' front area you stand in when waiting to pick up your pizza...

The confusion is in the perceived purpose of the sign.

Legally, it makes no difference what the owner wants. Read this whole post before jumping to conclusions....

Technically we are not interested in the actual desires and wishes of the owner but only the desires and wishes that the owner chooses to openly publish (or orally convey) by properly posting a sign as per 30.06 and .07.

The owner, in this case, is stating, by sign, that he is not prohibiting you from carrying openly but wants to stop concealed. Probably because he can catch open carriage and orally stop it thus reducing the ugly sign real estate.

But, that is his choice and so what. Carry openly and risk being told orally which would be a permanent prohibition.

The rules are clear.

Tex

If someone carried openly in a place that was posted 30.06 but no 30.07, there's no sign prohibiting open carry, so no laws were broken. If they carry...less openly, and someone sees it, well, that's still not prohibited. The gun obviously wasn't being concealed, because someone saw it being carried. Still not prohibited.

But then, I'm not a lawyer.

TPC §30.06 applies to concealed carry only. TPC §30.07 applies to open-carry only. If one is posted, the other method of carry is lawful. As a practical matter, businesses that post 30.06 signs will likely tell people carrying openly to leave.

Hospitals, nursing homes, churches and meetings of some governmental meetings are not off-limits unless notice is given pursuant to TPC §30.06 or §30.07 (typically a sign). (See PC §46.035(i))

Chas.

AshMan wrote:Hi all,

I tried searching for this topic, but couldn't find anything regarding my question. I recently went to a Domino's Pizza after work to grab dinner & there they were on the front doors... a legit 30.06 & a 30.07. My question though is... If you post a 30.06 which states you can't bring a concealed carry gun into the facility in the 1st place... WHY would you need to post a 30.07? Logic dictates to me that you don't want me bringing a weapon that's concealed into your place, why would I bring it in openly?! That would be WAY worse to me... That's how I'm reading it anyway. Is that Texas law? You have to post both if you don't want any guns what so ever on premises? If anyone could clear that up for me, I'd appreciate it.

Sorry If it's a confusing question, I personally still can't get over a Domino's take out place not wanting anyone to carry in the 10' front area you stand in when waiting to pick up your pizza...

A couple comments in no particular order.

First, I would not assume that anyone who posts 30.06 also does not want open carry. To me, open carry is a lot less "sneaky" than concealed carry, and for me, I would prefer that a visitor to my property make it clear whether they are armed. I think I am in the minority with this opinion, and to be clear I am not against someone CC'ing in my home, I would just prefer that they OC. I also strongly prefer that any adult visitors bring their own SD weapons with them as long as they are legally and physically able to carry. I will loan them a weapon if needed, but it is a bit rude, IMHO, to show up at someone's home and then expect them to take care of something as basic as your own personal security.

Second, you may want to double check the wording on that sign. It could be a hold-over from before OC, and if it has the old wording, then it is not valid.

Third, if the owner doesn't want "any guns whatsoever on the premises" they have to do a whole lot more than post a couple signs. They also need to bar on and off-duty police officers from entering the premises, along with posting some type of signage prohibiting long guns (concealed or openly carried). They also need to install metal detectors and hire armed security to ensure that no one illegally carries a firearm through their doors. Actually since the metal detectors and security will be needed regardless of signage, the simplest approach would be to just forego any signage and verbally tell anyone with a gun that they need to leave.

What about a 30.06 sign that refers to open carry? I know where there is one posted. I have said nothing and will not give the location because I have the feeling, that regardless of the posters intent, the sign is not enforceable for concealed carry.

Let me edit to add: This location has both signs, 30.06 and 30.07. The wording on the 30.06 is exactly the same as the .07 sign.

B23Msports wrote:What about a 30.06 sign that refers to open carry?

Color me confused. If a sign doesn't have the exact verbiage specified in the 30.06 law, how can it be a 30.06 sign?