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There are people and organizations like this operating in the political realm today. There are pesky ankle-biters, seemingly content to nip at the nobler people and organizations around them who actually seek to accomplish some worthy purpose. To borrow an apt phrase from Washington Times writer Kelly Riddell, these groups are all about “stoking the fears of the less-informed for profit.”

Read the entire article: http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/h ... nt-rights/

This is the group denounced by multiple legitimate Second Amendment advocacy groups. It's also the group with which OCT proudly assocated itself with for reasons that are abundantly clear.

Chas.

I guess it right, an org that is called NAGR.

Seems to me that if the NRA and NAGR are working for the same thing it might help everyone if they worked together? Also seems to me that the NRA has many many compromises with politicians that are not in our best interest. I stopped re-upping my NRA membership over some of their "sales" practices that were less than on the up and up. As far as NAGR, I don't know a whole lot about them but perhaps should learn something of the group. Not to bash the NRA or NAGR, I just think they should work together.

It's unfortunate that both good & bad exist in our world, however, how we deal with them makes us who we are. They keep coming up with new names because people learn who they are and then distance themselves from the group. Obviously, the only way they can stay relevant is to re-invent themselves after people see them for what they really are.

Nortex wrote:Seems to me that if the NRA and NAGR are working for the same thing it might help everyone if they worked together? Also seems to me that the NRA has many many compromises with politicians that are not in our best interest. I stopped re-upping my NRA membership over some of their "sales" practices that were less than on the up and up. As far as NAGR, I don't know a whole lot about them but perhaps should learn something of the group. Not to bash the NRA or NAGR, I just think they should work together.

NAGR disagrees with you.

Oy!

Riddell’s article recounted one instance in which an NAGR Mississippi e-mail blast solicited funds to help them fight against an ammunition registration bill. The only problem was that the bill had died in committee a month before the e-mail was sent.

Nortex wrote: Not to bash the NRA or NAGR, I just think they should work together.

But you just bashed NRA exclusively.

I made the mistake of giving money to Rocky Mountain Gun Owners (another Dudley Brown organization) during the debate in the Colorado Assembly over magazine capacity restrictions and universal background checks. I had hoped that RMGO served a similar function as TSRA, but boy, was I wrong.

Now I am constantly inundated with spam from NAGR. I tried to unsubscribe a few times, but it doesn't have any affect.

Having looked for and failed to find organizations in Alaska and Colorado that are analogous to TSRA, it makes me very thankful for what TSRA does for Texas.

Apparently these guys are still at it:
http://www.ammoland.com/2017/02/lies-fa ... z4ZciJwMjr

Texas Gun Rights is NAGR's supposed 'Texas affiliate', in reality it's more like it's their Texas Fundraising arm. I deal with no less than three emails, up to ten emails a day from people wanting me to quit calling/emailing them. Why do you ask? Because I own the domain GunRightsInTexas.com which is for a podcast I host, but haven't had time to work on for a while due to a number of factors such as dealing with TxGR's fallout.

G.A. Heath wrote:Texas Gun Rights is NAGR's supposed 'Texas affiliate', in reality it's more like it's their Texas Fundraising arm. I deal with no less than three emails, up to ten emails a day from people wanting me to quit calling/emailing them. Why do you ask? Because I own the domain GunRightsInTexas.com which is for a podcast I host, but haven't had time to work on for a while due to a number of factors such as dealing with TxGR's fallout.

I have had similar issues in the past, not necessarily politically related, of people spoofing my business domain name to send mass emails, and then I get the irritated messages and phone calls from people demanding that I take them off of my (non existent) email lists. Worse yet is having to deal with the consequences of having your domain flagged as a spam source by email servers. Personally, I think that spammers are in the same class of degenerate as [most] hackers, and I would like nothing better than a law making it permissible for spam/hacking victims to track down the spammers/hackers and administer justice with a baseball bat. Enough people get the crap beat out of them, and suddenly it becomes unprofitable to stay in that business. Since the boys of NAGR are already identified, it should be easy to find them.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

G.A. Heath wrote:Texas Gun Rights is NAGR's supposed 'Texas affiliate', in reality it's more like it's their Texas Fundraising arm. I deal with no less than three emails, up to ten emails a day from people wanting me to quit calling/emailing them. Why do you ask? Because I own the domain GunRightsInTexas.com which is for a podcast I host, but haven't had time to work on for a while due to a number of factors such as dealing with TxGR's fallout.

I have had similar issues in the past, not necessarily politically related, of people spoofing my business domain name to send mass emails, and then I get the irritated messages and phone calls from people demanding that I take them off of my (non existent) email lists. Worse yet is having to deal with the consequences of having your domain flagged as a spam source by email servers. Personally, I think that spammers are in the same class of degenerate as [most] hackers, and I would like nothing better than a law making it permissible for spam/hacking victims to track down the spammers/hackers and administer justice with a baseball bat. Enough people get the crap beat out of them, and suddenly it becomes unprofitable to stay in that business. Since the boys of NAGR are already identified, it should be easy to find them.

I hear that, my problem isn't spoofing but the similar name they use. Between that, the do not reply to this email because it will not be read, and people googling for specific keywords I got confused with them when people went looking for an email address to reply to. My email address was even reported on another gun forum as a contact for them until I explained the difference between txgunrights and gunrightsintexas. I did eventually convince the topic author and the mods on that forum to edit the post and quoted posts to reflect the NAGR fund raising arm's actual contact form link (If it works for anything beyond harvesting email addresses I do not know).

Uh..... from what the comments in that article describe, somebody with some legal skills could sue the living snot out of them via the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 to the tune of $16,000 per email sent.

almostfree wrote:I made the mistake of giving money to Rocky Mountain Gun Owners (another Dudley Brown organization) during the debate in the Colorado Assembly over magazine capacity restrictions and universal background checks. I had hoped that RMGO served a similar function as TSRA, but boy, was I wrong.

Now I am constantly inundated with spam from NAGR. I tried to unsubscribe a few times, but it doesn't have any affect.

Having looked for and failed to find organizations in Alaska and Colorado that are analogous to TSRA, it makes me very thankful for what TSRA does for Texas.

Yep same here. I finally had to block all 6 of the IPs DUDley was spamming from!

I sent NAGR $25 once. All I can say is I was duped. If I had only known, I wouldn't bear that stigma.

Tom Gresham (Gun Talk Radio) is particularly plain-spoken about them. I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something along the lines of if NAGR's HQ was on fire, he still wouldn't bother to spit on it.

The guy behind NAGR, as best I can tell, actively wants gun control, because as long as there are restrictive laws or rumors of restrictive laws he has something to stir fundraising with, and that's why he does what he does. To have a job as a fundraiser.

The NRA isn't perfect but it has a mission well beyond legislative war-making. The NRA walks the walk. They create educational material for kids, promote shooting sports, keep gun safety in the forefront, all kinds of good stuff.

For an outfit created in the 1870's to try, perhaps without a glimmer of hope, to teach Yankees to match Southern marksmanship, the NRA ain't half bad.