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Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:50 pm
by oldshooter
No. I can see no reason why it would impair your ability to get a TX Carry License. I am quite sure there are currently people with TX CHL licenses who have personality disorders (I know a couple myself), so that isn't enough, in itself, to disqualify you.
Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:56 pm
by baldeagle
Questions like this can only be answered by the DPS. They are the final arbiters of eligibility. Having said that, the law is clear that you must be adjudicated as mentally ill or under the care of a physician taking certain prescribed drugs to be disqualified.
Government Code 411.172, subsection (d)
(d) For purposes of Subsection (a)(7), a person is incapable of exercising sound judgment with respect to the proper use and storage of a handgun if the person:
(1) has been diagnosed by a licensed physician as suffering from a psychiatric disorder or condition that causes or is likely to cause substantial impairment in judgment, mood, perception, impulse control, or intellectual ability;
(2) suffers from a psychiatric disorder or condition described by Subdivision (1) that:
(A) is in remission but is reasonably likely to redevelop at a future time; or
(B) requires continuous medical treatment to avoid redevelopment;
(3) has been diagnosed by a licensed physician, determined by a review board or similar authority, or declared by a court to be incompetent to manage the person's own affairs; or
(4) has entered in a criminal proceeding a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity.
(e) The following constitutes evidence that a person has a psychiatric disorder or condition described by Subsection (d)(1):
(1) involuntary psychiatric hospitalization;
(2) psychiatric hospitalization;
(3) inpatient or residential substance abuse treatment in the preceding five-year period;
(4) diagnosis in the preceding five-year period by a licensed physician that the person is dependent on alcohol, a controlled substance, or a similar substance; or
(5) diagnosis at any time by a licensed physician that the person suffers or has suffered from a psychiatric disorder or condition consisting of or relating to:
(A) schizophrenia or delusional disorder;
(B) bipolar disorder;
(C) chronic dementia, whether caused by illness, brain defect, or brain injury;
(D) dissociative identity disorder;
(E) intermittent explosive disorder; or
(F) antisocial personality disorder.
Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:04 pm
by baldeagle
Nuts4hotwheels wrote:I forgot to mention, I don't know if it makes a difference but I work for a public school district and passed background checks and federal fingerprinting and also obtained a TWIC card from homeland security but I don't know if they have similar criteria.
I doubt you will have a problem, but review the law I posted. If none of it applies to your situation, then you should be fine.
Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:10 pm
by WildBill
baldeagle wrote:Nuts4hotwheels wrote:I forgot to mention, I don't know if it makes a difference but I work for a public school district and passed background checks and federal fingerprinting and also obtained a TWIC card from homeland security but I don't know if they have similar criteria.
I doubt you will have a problem, but review the law I posted. If none of it applies to your situation, then you should be fine.
I don't think you will have a problem.
IMO your employment status, previous background checks, FBI fingerprinting and TWIC card have no bearing on your eligibility.
They will also not speed up the DPS background check. My opinion only as IANAL.
Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:34 pm
by The Wall
What question or questions on the LTC application would apply? I've never heard of a personality disorder discharge. Would that be a Medical discharge? Or a general discharge? If the question is, "Have you ever been dishonorably discharged?" I would say no. What exactly does your DD214 say? They use to use codes. Like a General Discharge with a code of personality discharged. Something just doesn't pass the smell test here.
Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:59 pm
by WildBill
The Wall wrote:What question or questions on the LTC application would apply? I've never heard of a personality disorder discharge. Would that be a Medical discharge? Or a general discharge? If the question is, "Have you ever been dishonorably discharged?" I would say no. What exactly does your DD214 say? They use to use codes. Like a General Discharge with a code of personality discharged. Something just doesn't pass the smell test here.
The OP stated that his discharge was not dishonorable. He never said it was a personality disorder discharge.
Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:09 pm
by JP171
it should have been a trainee's failure to adapt discharge and uncharacterized with most likely a re2
but actually Bill he did say it was a personality disorder discharge
Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:09 pm
by ScottDLS
WildBill wrote:The Wall wrote:What question or questions on the LTC application would apply? I've never heard of a personality disorder discharge. Would that be a Medical discharge? Or a general discharge? If the question is, "Have you ever been dishonorably discharged?" I would say no. What exactly does your DD214 say? They use to use codes. Like a General Discharge with a code of personality discharged. Something just doesn't pass the smell test here.
The OP stated that his discharge was not dishonorable. He never said it was a personality disorder discharge.
You have to be convicted of a crime at a court martial in order to receive either a bad conduct or a dishonorable discharge. A bad conduct is a misdemeanor federal conviction and dishonorable is a felony. Anything else makes no difference to your eligibility to get a LTC, and a bad conduct would only bar you for 5 years from the conviction/discharge.
Now you may not get the veteran discount on the fee without an Honorable.
Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:16 pm
by WildBill
JP171 wrote:it should have been a trainee's failure to adapt discharge and uncharacterized with most likely a re2
but actually Bill he did say it was a personality disorder discharge
No, he said the reason was a personality disorder, not the type of discharge. That is different.
Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:46 pm
by WildBill
Nuts4hotwheels wrote:DD214 says
Type of separation: Entry level seperation
Separation code: JFX
Narrative reason for seperation: personality disorder
It sounds like you are good to go!
BTW, welcome to the forum!
Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:40 am
by The Wall
Personality disorder sure sounds bad to me. Sounds like could be a mental disorder. Something I would question if I were interviewing you for a job. What does that JFX code mean? Hope it won't interfere with you getting your LTC. Only the DPS knows for sure. I knew a guy that got out on a hardship discharge because his wife couldn't handle military life and being alone for extended period of time.
Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:40 am
by dale blanker
ScottDLS wrote:WildBill wrote:The Wall wrote:What question or questions on the LTC application would apply? I've never heard of a personality disorder discharge. Would that be a Medical discharge? Or a general discharge? If the question is, "Have you ever been dishonorably discharged?" I would say no. What exactly does your DD214 say? They use to use codes. Like a General Discharge with a code of personality discharged. Something just doesn't pass the smell test here.
The OP stated that his discharge was not dishonorable. He never said it was a personality disorder discharge.
You have to be convicted of a crime at a court martial in order to receive either a bad conduct or a dishonorable discharge. A bad conduct is a misdemeanor federal conviction and dishonorable is a felony. Anything else makes no difference to your eligibility to get a LTC, and a bad conduct would only bar you for 5 years from the conviction/discharge.
Now you may not get the veteran discount on the fee without an Honorable.
There was another discussion in this forum about discharges that qualify for the veteran's discount. I believe it was determined that a General Discharge (Under Honorable Conditions) would also be eligible for the discount and maybe even Veteran designation on the license. This does not seem to apply to the OP but it wouldn't hurt to check with DPS.
Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:12 am
by pt145ss
JP171 wrote:it should have been a trainee's failure to adapt discharge and uncharacterized with most likely a re2
but actually Bill he did say it was a personality disorder discharge
We called them Entry Level Seperations back in the day when I was in the Army.
Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:07 pm
by WildBill
dale blanker wrote:ScottDLS wrote:WildBill wrote:The Wall wrote:What question or questions on the LTC application would apply? I've never heard of a personality disorder discharge. Would that be a Medical discharge? Or a general discharge? If the question is, "Have you ever been dishonorably discharged?" I would say no. What exactly does your DD214 say? They use to use codes. Like a General Discharge with a code of personality discharged. Something just doesn't pass the smell test here.
The OP stated that his discharge was not dishonorable. He never said it was a personality disorder discharge.
You have to be convicted of a crime at a court martial in order to receive either a bad conduct or a dishonorable discharge. A bad conduct is a misdemeanor federal conviction and dishonorable is a felony. Anything else makes no difference to your eligibility to get a LTC, and a bad conduct would only bar you for 5 years from the conviction/discharge.
Now you may not get the veteran discount on the fee without an Honorable.
There was another discussion in this forum about discharges that qualify for the veteran's discount. I believe it was determined that a General Discharge (Under Honorable Conditions) would also be eligible for the discount and maybe even Veteran designation on the license. This does not seem to apply to the OP but it wouldn't hurt to check with DPS.
There is no reason for the OP to check with DPS. The requirement is to be honorably discharged, so he is not eligible for the veteran discount.
GC §411.174
GC §411.1951
https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/d ... hedule.pdf
Re: Military discharge for personality disorder
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:47 pm
by WildBill
The Wall wrote:What question or questions on the LTC application would apply?
I am curious about this also.
It's been a long time since I have seen the application form.
Since the application process is on-line I can't find a hard copy to see the questions.
As I recall they only ask if you have been dishonorably discharged if you are a veteran.
Of course they ask some medical questions, but based on the information by the OP I don't know which question you would have to answer in the affirmative.