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When I post on Texas3006.com, I want my posting to be as accurate as possible. I don't want to say, "I think the letters are too small" or, "the wording looks incorrect." I want to KNOW.

So I made a pocket reference card to fold up and stick in my wallet for just such an occasion! Feel free to add this to your toolbox!

In the interest of keeping it a "pocket" reference guide, statute numbers have been left off, 51% signs were not mentioned, and only the information most pertinent to determining a sign's validity was included.

Disclaimer: I am not condoning a LTC citizen ignoring a sign "because it's not valid." I merely want to facilitate the uploading of accurate information to Texas3006.com.

Edit 1/25/16: Uploaded revised version of cards to reflect proper language. "ALL CAPS" changed to "block letters (i.e. no cursive)."

Thanks for taking the time to put this together and sharing it. It should be downloaded by everyone!

My copy is printing right now and also going to be a shortcut on my smartphone.

Very nice. Thank you for posting. I have downloaded and printed myself.

Excellent. Thank you for sharing.

Just one thing... Where in the law does it say the letters must be all caps?

Pawpaw wrote:Just one thing... Where in the law does it say the letters must be all caps?

Vol Texan wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:Just one thing... Where in the law does it say the letters must be all caps?

The demo sign they used at the instructor class was not all caps.

jmorris wrote:

Vol Texan wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:Just one thing... Where in the law does it say the letters must be all caps?

The demo sign they used at the instructor class was not all caps.

It says block letters. I don't think that means all caps. But if there are capital and lower case letters, the shortest letter should be measured to ensure it is at least 1 inch tall.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

jmorris wrote:

Vol Texan wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:Just one thing... Where in the law does it say the letters must be all caps?

The demo sign they used at the instructor class was not all caps.

It says block letters. I don't think that means all caps. But if there are capital and lower case letters, the shortest letter should be measured to ensure it is at least 1 inch tall.

And, of course, I should have added that only the capitals appeared to be 1". What I would say was done was that a font was chosen that was 1" high which would generally mean only capital letters are actually 1" high.

And since we're on signs and I mentioned the instructor class, the lead instructor also stated "Intent counts".

Sorry, my understanding of "block letters" was that it meant "capital letters." Now I'm learning that the term can be applied to any letters that are not joined (i.e. not cursive), but typically means capitals or letters that are all the same height. Thank you for the correction.

jmorris wrote: And since we're on signs and I mentioned the instructor class, the lead instructor also stated "Intent counts".

I agree, it would be foolish to carry past a sign because a comma was missing or because the letters only measured .97 inches. As I said, this was made to ensure the most accurate information possible was being uploaded to Texas3006.com. Personally, I don't check for absolute wording before I carry past a sign. If any sign banning guns is posted, I will not carry openly past it. If a sign looks close enough to fool a responding officer should I accidentally reveal that I am carrying, I will not carry concealed either.

imkopaka wrote:Sorry, my understanding of "block letters" was that it meant "capital letters." Now I'm learning that the term can be applied to any letters that are not joined (i.e. not cursive), but typically means capitals or letters that are all the same height. Thank you for the correction.

Edit 1/25/16: Uploaded revised version of cards to reflect proper language. "ALL CAPS" changed to "block letters (i.e. no cursive)."

This is not a correct definition of block letters. Sans serif letters are block letters. For example, Arial is a block letter typeface.
Even though the letters are not joined, Times Roman is a serif typeface and is not a block typeface.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

jmorris wrote:

Vol Texan wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:Just one thing... Where in the law does it say the letters must be all caps?

The demo sign they used at the instructor class was not all caps.

It says block letters. I don't think that means all caps. But if there are capital and lower case letters, the shortest letter should be measured to ensure it is at least 1 inch tall.

Block letters are those without serifs and can be either upper or lower case. Most 30.06 signs that I have seen use only upper case letters.
Since the letters need to be at least 1 inch in height it makes sense to use only uppercase as it makes for a smaller sign.

WildBill wrote:

imkopaka wrote:Sorry, my understanding of "block letters" was that it meant "capital letters." Now I'm learning that the term can be applied to any letters that are not joined (i.e. not cursive), but typically means capitals or letters that are all the same height. Thank you for the correction.

Edit 1/25/16: Uploaded revised version of cards to reflect proper language. "ALL CAPS" changed to "block letters (i.e. no cursive)."

This is not a correct definition of block letters. Sans serif letters are block letters. For example, Arial is a block letter typeface.
Even though the letters are not joined, Times Roman is a serif typeface and is not a block typeface.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

jmorris wrote:

Vol Texan wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:Just one thing... Where in the law does it say the letters must be all caps?

The demo sign they used at the instructor class was not all caps.

It says block letters. I don't think that means all caps. But if there are capital and lower case letters, the shortest letter should be measured to ensure it is at least 1 inch tall.

Block letters are those without serifs and can be either upper or lower case. Most 30.06 signs that I have seen use only upper case letters.
Since the letters need to be at least 1 inch in height it makes sense to use only uppercase as it makes for a smaller sign.

So, if Fraktur was used I would carry past without a problem?

Dadtodabone wrote:

WildBill wrote:

imkopaka wrote:Sorry, my understanding of "block letters" was that it meant "capital letters." Now I'm learning that the term can be applied to any letters that are not joined (i.e. not cursive), but typically means capitals or letters that are all the same height. Thank you for the correction.

Edit 1/25/16: Uploaded revised version of cards to reflect proper language. "ALL CAPS" changed to "block letters (i.e. no cursive)."

This is not a correct definition of block letters. Sans serif letters are block letters. For example, Arial is a block letter typeface.
Even though the letters are not joined, Times Roman is a serif typeface and is not a block typeface.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

jmorris wrote:

Vol Texan wrote:

Pawpaw wrote:Just one thing... Where in the law does it say the letters must be all caps?

The demo sign they used at the instructor class was not all caps.

It says block letters. I don't think that means all caps. But if there are capital and lower case letters, the shortest letter should be measured to ensure it is at least 1 inch tall.

Block letters are those without serifs and can be either upper or lower case. Most 30.06 signs that I have seen use only upper case letters.
Since the letters need to be at least 1 inch in height it makes sense to use only uppercase as it makes for a smaller sign.

So, if Fraktur was used I would carry past without a problem?

Ja!

imkopaka wrote:Personally, I don't check for absolute wording before I carry past a sign. If any sign banning guns is posted, I will not carry openly past it. If a sign looks close enough to fool a responding officer should I accidentally reveal that I am carrying, I will not carry concealed either.

My MO is slightly different. If I have any reason to suspect that the property owner has an irrational fear of guns (sign or otherwise), I will not go near that property if I can possibly avoid it. People like this are unstable and potentially dangerous.

As far as signs go, I don't make distinctions based on "how close" the sign is. It is a binary decision. The sign is either compliant, or it is not. A "slightly" non-compliant sign is the exact same as no sign at all.