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State residents have filed 34 complaints against public venues banning open carry of guns

Do read the whole thing, but here are some items that jumped out at me. I added underlined boldface in some instances.

“With all due respect with what they’re trying to do, you can’t pick and choose which part of the law you follow,” said Terry Holcomb, head of pro-gun group Texas Carry, who has filed three of the complaints. “Whether you agree or disagree, we’re all expected to follow the law.”

Holcomb, who has gained some notoriety as the gun-toting pastor of Oakhurst’s Crossroads Baptist Church, said he sent out 16 notices last week alerting local governments he was planning to file complaints if they did not reverse course.

He's been busy.

San Antonio City Council has relegated public space at City Hall to only the first-floor lobby. The rest of the building is considered secured, private space where open carry does not apply. There have been no complaints filed with the attorney general against San Antonio.

This sounds mighty suspicious to me. Any San Antonians here want to go check this out? And is it really only "open carry" that is banned in the upper floors?

Ok now, read this carefully:

Fort Worth received the most complaints of any one city for alleged violations by its zoo, science and history museum and Will Rogers Memorial Center.

Fort Worth Deputy City Attorney Gerald Pruitt said guns can be banned in the zoo because it is a registered childcare facility, and, thus, a gun-free zone under state law.

While the land under the Fort Worth Museum of Science and History is leased from the city, the building is owned and operated by a private nonprofit that has the right to ban guns where it pleases, he added.

More at the link. Note the squeals of the Bexar County deputy appraiser.

need to register to read the whole story.

Is there a place on the state sites where all the complaints can be viewed?

ELB wrote: Fort Worth Deputy City Attorney Gerald Pruitt said guns can be banned in the zoo because it is a registered childcare facility, and, thus, a gun-free zone under state law.

More at the link. Note the squeals of the Bexar County deputy appraiser.

Fort Worth Zoo Educational Facility is one building that on zoo property that holds 180 people.

http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/Child_Care/ ... id=1186859

While it is debatable whether they can even post this building, it is absolute clear to me that even if the can, the whole zoo cannot be posted.

For personal reasons I cannot, but if anyone else would like to point this out to Mr. Pruitt (politely please!!) have at it.

http://fortworthtexas.gov/cityattorney/staff/pruitt/


For my part, I have filled a complaint with TXDCF that the Fort Worth Zoo Child Care Center is not in compliance with many state laws, including:

- not having the proper amount of sleep mats or cribs.
- not having a designated storage area for every pupil with their name on it.
- having pay phones- this against Texas law for child care facilities
- having immediate access to chickens and reptiles (petting zoo)
- insufficient number of bathrooms for capacity of facility
- locking doors on bathrooms that are above a child's reach

...and that is just what I could think of off the top of my head.

Good the Zoo is a Joke . I carried there years ago before the signs went up.

GeekwithaGun wrote:need to register to read the whole story.

Is there a place on the state sites where all the complaints can be viewed?

Hmm, sorry, it let me in to read the whole thing after giving me a chance to sign up. Maybe if you google the story, sometimes that will take you past the sign-up business.

I don't know of any place on the Texas AG site where he lists pending complaints. Mr. Cotton is keeping a list over at the TFC site I believe, but only those that people tell him about.

GeekwithaGun wrote:need to register to read the whole story.

Is there a place on the state sites where all the complaints can be viewed?

I can't even find a place in the AG web site where I can track the progress of the complaint I filed.

I live in Kinney County, they have posted signs for both 3006 and 3007. Talked with the County Attorney and he says that the County Commissioners have decided that since the County Clerk is also District Clerk her office is a part of the District Court and then the fines court costs etc., are on the 2nd floor and they too are a part of the Court and so are off limits. Then they also say that since there are witnesses, and defendants in the courthouse on court days, they cannot allow open or concealed carry inside the building at any time.
I plan to contact the Attorney General, but I think that the legislature needs to tighten up the language in the law.

John Q NRA Life member, AmLeg PUFL, TSRA Life member

It is my hope that once the AG's office rules on a few of these (please be Ft. Worth Zoo first) and the government entities face daily fines, all others will fall into compliance pretty quick.

I'm just trying to be patient for the AG's office to make a finding on my complaint. Wish they would hurry up though.

steveincowtown wrote: ...


For my part, I have filled a complaint with TXDCF that the Fort Worth Zoo Child Care Center is not in compliance with many state laws, including:

- not having the proper amount of sleep mats or cribs.
- not having a designated storage area for every pupil with their name on it.
- having pay phones- this against Texas law for child care facilities
- having immediate access to chickens and reptiles (petting zoo)
- insufficient number of bathrooms for capacity of facility
- locking doors on bathrooms that are above a child's reach

...and that is just what I could think of off the top of my head.

Interesting. Keep us posted on this.

Quick note
Yesterday I went to Sattler Texas Comal County Tax Office to pay property taxes, it was not posted...

ELB wrote:Ok now, read this carefully:

Fort Worth received the most complaints of any one city for alleged violations by its zoo, science and history museum and Will Rogers Memorial Center.

Fort Worth Deputy City Attorney Gerald Pruitt said guns can be banned in the zoo because it is a registered childcare facility, and, thus, a gun-free zone under state law.

While the land under the Fort Worth Museum of Science and History is leased from the city, the building is owned and operated by a private nonprofit that has the right to ban guns where it pleases, he added.

The way I understand it, the Pope can own the building for all it matters. It's the fact that the LAND the building sits on is owned by the city. Maybe the city needs to get a new deputy attorney that can actually understand the law. I think that some of this "stuff" needs to be slapped down hard by the AG. If hes got the cajones.

I hope Mr. Paxton is not too busy with "other" legal matters to take care of this business correctly

doncb wrote:

ELB wrote:Ok now, read this carefully:

Fort Worth received the most complaints of any one city for alleged violations by its zoo, science and history museum and Will Rogers Memorial Center.

Fort Worth Deputy City Attorney Gerald Pruitt said guns can be banned in the zoo because it is a registered childcare facility, and, thus, a gun-free zone under state law.

While the land under the Fort Worth Museum of Science and History is leased from the city, the building is owned and operated by a private nonprofit that has the right to ban guns where it pleases, he added.

The way I understand it, the Pope can own the building for all it matters. It's the fact that the LAND the building sits on is owned by the city. Maybe the city needs to get a new deputy attorney that can actually understand the law. I think that some of this "stuff" needs to be slapped down hard by the AG. If hes got the cajones.

actually anytime an organization or renter builds a building or makes any kind of improvements the building or improvement automatically becomes property of said government, at least in texas. portable buildings and portable improvements are property of the NGO, so no the zoological society doesn't own the buildings

steveincowtown wrote: For my part, I have filled a complaint with TXDCF that the Fort Worth Zoo Child Care Center is not in compliance with many state laws, including:

- not having the proper amount of sleep mats or cribs.
- not having a designated storage area for every pupil with their name on it.
- having pay phones- this against Texas law for child care facilities
- having immediate access to chickens and reptiles (petting zoo)
- insufficient number of bathrooms for capacity of facility
- locking doors on bathrooms that are above a child's reach

...and that is just what I could think of off the top of my head.

Don't they serve beer? That one should be the biggest no-no. A child care facility that serves booze? Really?

chasfm11 wrote:

steveincowtown wrote: For my part, I have filled a complaint with TXDCF that the Fort Worth Zoo Child Care Center is not in compliance with many state laws, including:

- not having the proper amount of sleep mats or cribs.
- not having a designated storage area for every pupil with their name on it.
- having pay phones- this against Texas law for child care facilities
- having immediate access to chickens and reptiles (petting zoo)
- insufficient number of bathrooms for capacity of facility
- locking doors on bathrooms that are above a child's reach

...and that is just what I could think of off the top of my head.

Don't they serve beer? That one should be the biggest no-no. A child care facility that serves booze? Really?

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