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I'm just curious.. have any of the instrutors here ever flat out DENIED someone their certificate?

I can understand failing the written test, but how about the proficiency test?? When I took my renewal class recently, I saw some pretty POOR pistol work (limp wristing jams, not knowing how to reload the magazine, one guy gashed his thumb from incorrect grip) . I would not have passed them myself.

I don't remember where I heard this, so maybe it's not even true, but I heard of an instructor who asked a student to leave the class because the guy kept making obnoxious comments and asking ridiculous questions.

If shooting skill is the problem, I know at least two instructors who will work with the problem student to get them over the hump. I suspect most would approach the problem that way.

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:I don't remember where I heard this, so maybe it's not even true, but I heard of an instructor who asked a student to leave the class because the guy kept making obnoxious comments and asking ridiculous questions.

If shooting skill is the problem, I know at least two instructors who will work with the problem student to get them over the hump. I suspect most would approach the problem that way.

- Jim

A certificate (TR100) is only issued to a person who completes the written and firearms qualifications. If a person does not finish, for any reason, then no TR100 is issued.

DPS does not get into how instructor's manage their classes.

I have yet to remove a person from class for boorish behavior. Many people show up to class mistakenly believing that it is a "teach you how to shoot class". In that case, as an instructor and not simply a test giver, I work with the person to insure they CAN be safe and qualify.

However, I would not hesitate to remove a person from the range who refused or was incapable of following safety instructions.

I have not yet needed to remove such a person from a CHL course, but I have in security guard classes.

That said, if the student demonstrates the state requirement on proficiency and safe handling, regardless of how weak they were, they earned the TR100.

txinvestigator wrote: I have not yet needed to remove such a person from a CHL course, but I have in security guard classes.

I remember that story! wasn't it a lady that got all huffy and was gonna pull her piece on you?
or have I finally lost that remembery synapse:?:

pbandjelly wrote:

txinvestigator wrote: I have not yet needed to remove such a person from a CHL course, but I have in security guard classes.

I remember that story! wasn't it a lady that got all huffy and was gonna pull her piece on you?
or have I finally lost that remembery synapse:?:

LOL she never made it to class.

Per DPS direction, every student has 3 opportunities to pass both the written and handgun proficiency tests. No one fails on the first try.

That being said, I have thrown one student off the range for unsafe gun handling. After several corrections, he just could not/would not follow directions. He had the opportunity to come back later to qualify, provided he followed directions. He must have chosen not to, because I have not heard back from him.

I have also "counseled" two other students out of the classroom. One didn't understand english, at all. (I have worked with students who could not READ english, but not understanding the spoken language just doesn't work for me) The other would not have passed the background check, based on the history he related to me.

llwatson wrote:Per DPS direction, every student has 3 opportunities to pass both the written and handgun proficiency tests. No one fails on the first try.

I did not know that.

As far as DPS is concerned, could an instructor make them pay extra for coming back another day?

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:

llwatson wrote:Per DPS direction, every student has 3 opportunities to pass both the written and handgun proficiency tests. No one fails on the first try.

I did not know that.

As far as DPS is concerned, could an instructor make them pay extra for coming back another day?

- Jim

while I don't have an educated answer, I can't see why not. for the most part an instructer can charge pretty much what they want anyway.

seamusTX wrote: As far as DPS is concerned, could an instructor make them pay extra for coming back another day?

DPS does not regulate how much instructors charge, or how they run their classes, as long as the minimum training requirements are met.

llwatson wrote: The other would not have passed the background check, based on the history he related to me.

I guess their felony was 'special'..

para driver wrote:

llwatson wrote: The other would not have passed the background check, based on the history he related to me.

I guess their felony was 'special'..

You got that right!

llwatson wrote:

para driver wrote:

llwatson wrote: The other would not have passed the background check, based on the history he related to me.

I guess their felony was 'special'..

You got that right!

We don't know who it was, give us a clue as to their... indescretion??

I'm not going to tell the story. It wouldn't be right. But the person had been convicted of manslaughter. And that's all I gonna say about that.

llwatson wrote:I'm not going to tell the story. It wouldn't be right. But the person had been convicted of manslaughter. And that's all I gonna say about that.

I'd say that might raise a few eyebrows on the background check, but probably not the first time it's happened???

Well, there are documented cases of people applying for police jobs and getting arrested for outstanding warrants when they do the fingerprint check.

One story (possibly apocryphal, I cannot verify it) I remember is a group of potential recruits going through the LAPD process. This was along the lines of a tour of the facility and PR dog and pony show to get the people interested in applying. When they got to the fingerprint section, they went to demonstrate how it works and asked for a volunteer. One young man volunteered and then found out how it works. He was promptly arrested for an outstanding Murder warrant.

Moral of the story is to never volunteer to demonstrate anything for the police. That is a good rule for the academy life as well as military life.