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If I am eating in a restaurant that is not posted with a 30.06 sign but the bar has a 51% sign and the bathrooms are in the bar, can I carry from my table in the restaurant into the bathrooms when I have to pass through the 51% bar?

Dallashog wrote:If I am eating in a restaurant that is not posted with a 30.06 sign but the bar has a 51% sign and the bathrooms are in the bar, can I carry from my table in the restaurant into the bathrooms when I have to pass through the 51% bar?

Does the bar allow persons to carry alcoholic drinks into and out of the bar area? Can a patron take his drink from the bar to his table in the dining room?

If the answer is yes, then the entire place is either 51% or not. If the premises is not 51%, then the sign in the bar is improperly posted and carry is lawful.

http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/PublicInquiry/Status.aspx

First thing would be to check to see if they should have a Red (51%) or Blue sign at the link above.

Dallashog wrote:If I am eating in a restaurant that is not posted with a 30.06 sign but the bar has a 51% sign and the bathrooms are in the bar, can I carry from my table in the restaurant into the bathrooms when I have to pass through the 51% bar?

A 51% premise is off limits for mere citizens even if we're "just passing through."

jbarn wrote:

Dallashog wrote:If I am eating in a restaurant that is not posted with a 30.06 sign but the bar has a 51% sign and the bathrooms are in the bar, can I carry from my table in the restaurant into the bathrooms when I have to pass through the 51% bar?

Does the bar allow persons to carry alcoholic drinks into and out of the bar area? Can a patron take his drink from the bar to his table in the dining room?

If the answer is yes, then the entire place is either 51% or not. If the premises is not 51%, then the sign in the bar is improperly posted and carry is lawful.

I've seen this in a couple of restaurants. They put the 51% sign up behind the bar and I first noticed it when I went to pick up an order to go. The place is not a legitimate 51% place and they just put it up because. I didn't bother telling them about it because I didn't feel like explaining the whole thing to them.

The vast majority of places that serve food don't fit the definition of 51%. Besides it's not the sign that crates the prohibition, it's the designation by TABC.

Dallashog wrote:If I am eating in a restaurant that is not posted with a 30.06 sign but the bar has a 51% sign and the bathrooms are in the bar, can I carry from my table in the restaurant into the bathrooms when I have to pass through the 51% bar?

Concealed is concealed.

Oldgringo wrote:

Dallashog wrote:If I am eating in a restaurant that is not posted with a 30.06 sign but the bar has a 51% sign and the bathrooms are in the bar, can I carry from my table in the restaurant into the bathrooms when I have to pass through the 51% bar?

Concealed is concealed.

I see that often in forms. What, exactly, is the reference to the question at hand? Are you suggesting that if the location is 51% and he keeps his gun concealed it is OK to knowingly and intentionally commit a felony? Otherwise I miss the point.

jbarn wrote: I see that often in forms. What, exactly, is the reference to the question at hand? Are you suggesting that if the location is 51% and he keeps his gun concealed it is OK to knowingly and intentionally commit a felony? Otherwise I miss the point.

As they say, there's "legal" and there's "moral" -- sometimes they even coincide. Some will say that violating a "law" that is an obvious infringement of their 2nd Amendment rights is the moral thing to do. As in all things in life, you take your chances and pay the price if you are wrong.

jbarn wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

Dallashog wrote:If I am eating in a restaurant that is not posted with a 30.06 sign but the bar has a 51% sign and the bathrooms are in the bar, can I carry from my table in the restaurant into the bathrooms when I have to pass through the 51% bar?

Concealed is concealed.

I see that often in forms. What, exactly, is the reference to the question at hand? Are you suggesting that if the location is 51% and he keeps his gun concealed it is OK to knowingly and intentionally commit a felony? Otherwise I miss the point.

No.

txnative1951 wrote:

jbarn wrote:I see that often in forms. What, exactly, is the reference to the question at hand? Are you suggesting that if the location is 51% and he keeps his gun concealed it is OK to knowingly and intentionally commit a felony? Otherwise I miss the point.

As they say, there's "legal" and there's "moral" -- sometimes they even coincide. Some will say that violating a "law" that is an obvious infringement of their 2nd Amendment rights is the moral thing to do. As in all things in life, you take your chances and pay the price if you are wrong.

A message advocating that it is OK to commit illegal behavior will never be acceptable in these forums.

Actually, any such message violates Forum Rule 4:

4. No posting of messages promoting illegal conduct.

I'll note in passing that oldgringo clarified his message to make clear he was not promoting illegal actions. I am not clear on whether your message does or not, but it sure smells like it.

txnative1951 wrote:

jbarn wrote: I see that often in forms. What, exactly, is the reference to the question at hand? Are you suggesting that if the location is 51% and he keeps his gun concealed it is OK to knowingly and intentionally commit a felony? Otherwise I miss the point.

As they say, there's "legal" and there's "moral" -- sometimes they even coincide. Some will say that violating a "law" that is an obvious infringement of their 2nd Amendment rights is the moral thing to do. As in all things in life, you take your chances and pay the price if you are wrong.

And "moral" is highly subjective and, in my opinion, usually self serving and not based on principle when used in this context.

Oldgringo wrote:

jbarn wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

Dallashog wrote:If I am eating in a restaurant that is not posted with a 30.06 sign but the bar has a 51% sign and the bathrooms are in the bar, can I carry from my table in the restaurant into the bathrooms when I have to pass through the 51% bar?

Concealed is concealed.

I see that often in forms. What, exactly, is the reference to the question at hand? Are you suggesting that if the location is 51% and he keeps his gun concealed it is OK to knowingly and intentionally commit a felony? Otherwise I miss the point.

No.

Cool. Can you clarify for me, then?

jbarn wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

jbarn wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

Dallashog wrote:If I am eating in a restaurant that is not posted with a 30.06 sign but the bar has a 51% sign and the bathrooms are in the bar, can I carry from my table in the restaurant into the bathrooms when I have to pass through the 51% bar?

Concealed is concealed.

I see that often in forms. What, exactly, is the reference to the question at hand? Are you suggesting that if the location is 51% and he keeps his gun concealed it is OK to knowingly and intentionally commit a felony? Otherwise I miss the point.

No.

Cool. Can you clarify for me, then?

I don't care to discuss it, thanks anyway.

txnative1951 wrote:As they say, there's "legal" and there's "moral" -- sometimes they even coincide. Some will say that violating a "law" that is an obvious infringement of their 2nd Amendment rights is the moral thing to do.

I disagree. If a statute violates the constitution it is by definition unconstitutional. The unlawful statute is no law.