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CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:49 pm
by smtimelevi
So I recently took the CHL class and submitted all the paper work. I don 't have my CHL as of yet but have read up on the laws and have a firearm and holster. I plan on carrying a Glock 22 in a Crossbreed Supertuck at 4' o'clock. I have also been preparing myself for EDC by looking out for 30.06 signs and maintaining situational awareness. Today I had a follow up job interview ( I got the job!) After the interview I was sent to a clinic for a pre-employment drug screening. I didn't see a 30.06 sign when I walked into the doctors office. Once I was called back for my test the nurse(male) asked me to empty my pockets into a tray, go into the bathroom and fill up the cup. At this point it struck me. What would I do if I was carrying? I decided in my head that since it would have been on my iwb holster if carrying that I wouldn't have said or done anything with the firearm.
Here's where it becomes interesting. After I completed the urine test he said they also needed hair. The hair on my head was too short, and he said "I'll have to take underarm hair, please remove your shirt." I didn't feel violated or anything, I just realized that if I had my CHL I would have been carrying and this would have outed me.
If I was carrying I would have told the drug screener " I have a CHL and I am carrying a firearm in my belt. How would you like to proceed?"
I figure not saying something and removing my shirt to reveal a pistol may have scared him.
Has anyone been in a similar situation? What would y'all have done?
Re: CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:06 pm
by Scott in Houston
Never been in that situation, but I don't carry to the doctor for that reason.
Most medical places I've been are posted correctly, but even if they aren't, it is just too volatile a situation with the wardrobe, etc.
Even the scale! I don't need the extra ounces that even my Glock would give me on there. :)
Re: CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:18 pm
by RHenriksen
Sadly, the building in which my doctor's located is posted 30.06; but the lab where the blood draws are done is not.
I was wearing a shoulder holster under a sport coat when I went for a blood draw. In the exam room, before I took off my coat, I asked the tech if we could close the door. She shot me a sideways look and asked, 'why? you going to scream or something?'. I shrugged, and took off my coat by way of explanation. She thought that was no big deal at all, asked me what agency I work for. I explained I didn't work for anybody, just a civilian. It was no big deal at all; we had a nice chat about guns, shooting, and CHLs.
YMMV.
smtimelevi wrote: If I was carrying I would have told the drug screener " I have a CHL and I am carrying a firearm in my belt. How would you like to proceed?"
I figure not saying something and removing my shirt to reveal a pistol may have scared him.
Has anyone been in a similar situation? What would y'all have done?
Re: CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:29 pm
by kgdotcom
Not long after I received my CHL. I went to family doctor with no 30.06 so I carried away. I was just there to get checked out so he could prescribe me a Z pack to kick a bad cold. Everything went fine. I almost forgot about it until he lifted the back of my shirt to listen to my lungs. I just kept quite to see what he said. He didn't skip a beat, he just continued like normal without saying a word… I got the prescription and on the way to the pharmacy I went.
Re: CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:29 pm
by papajohn1964
The hair on my head was too short, and he said "I'll have to take underarm hair, please remove your shirt."
![Shocked :shock:](./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif)
OUCH! I'm either waiting for the hair on my head to grow or find another job!!!
![NoNo :nono:](./images/smilies/nono.gif)
Re: CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:45 pm
by smtimelevi
papajohn1964 wrote:The hair on my head was too short, and he said "I'll have to take underarm hair, please remove your shirt."
![Shocked :shock:](./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif)
OUCH! I'm either waiting for the hair on my head to grow or find another job!!!
![NoNo :nono:](./images/smilies/nono.gif)
He said the hair needed to be at least 1 1/2". Leg was an option but it's not long enough on me. Underarm is all I got that's that long and just barely. I get my hair cut every 2-3 weeks. I wouldn't have gone through this for a minimum wage job.
Re: CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:33 pm
by Oldgringo
smtimelevi wrote:papajohn1964 wrote:The hair on my head was too short, and he said "I'll have to take underarm hair, please remove your shirt."
![Shocked :shock:](./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif)
OUCH! I'm either waiting for the hair on my head to grow or find another job!!!
![NoNo :nono:](./images/smilies/nono.gif)
He said the hair needed to be at least 1 1/2". Leg was an option but it's not long enough on me. Underarm is all I got that's that long and just barely. I get my hair cut every 2-3 weeks. I wouldn't have gone through this for a minimum wage job.
Did you happen to notice any rings on this male nurse - ear or finger?
Re: CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:38 pm
by Divided Attention
If you were carrying at 4 o'clock it would not be in your pocket.... soooo you wouldn't have to empty it. I have carried at several MD appointments, I roll everything in my clothing or put it in my purse - yes I realize you guys don't have this option typically. Purse is easier, as they don't look at you like you are oober crazy when you refuse to leave your purse behind as when you grab your clothing bundle to run to the lab in your little drafty gown
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Re: CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:53 pm
by SlowDave
That's why I don't carry to the Dr. Never know what's gonna happen. Might have a pleasant experience, or might have a nurse go running down the hall screaming "He's got a gun!!!" whether posted or not. Actually, this is one place I have carried off the body in a backpack. And I have always thought that was an unfair thing that ladies have an advantage on. No matter what you carry with you in the less desirable mode of off-body carry, a woman never gets asked, "Why are you taking your purse to the bathroom/coke machine/conf room?" A guy definitely gets attention if he carries his backpack, computer bag, or other to the bathroom with him!
But before everyone jumps on, I prefer on-body carry, but do fall back to off-body in certain situations like the Dr. Well, really for the urgi-care kind of places, especially off hours. At the doctor's office during the day, I am likely to just not carry. Too many ways it can go wrong.
Re: CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:08 pm
by smtimelevi
Oldgringo wrote:
Did you happen to notice any rings on this male nurse - ear or finger?
Nope
Re: CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:10 pm
by smtimelevi
Divided Attention wrote:If you were carrying at 4 o'clock it would not be in your pocket.... soooo you wouldn't have to empty it. I have carried at several MD appointments, I roll everything in my clothing or put it in my purse - yes I realize you guys don't have this option typically. Purse is easier, as they don't look at you like you are oober crazy when you refuse to leave your purse behind as when you grab your clothing bundle to run to the lab in your little drafty gown
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
That wasn't the issue. I had to take off my shirt for body hair removal. Firearm would have been visible.
If they just asked for me to empty my pockets I wouldn't have done anything but that.
Re: CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:13 pm
by johnson0317
About to become the primary provider at a new urgent care clinic in my area. If someone wants to come in with a concealed weapon, God bless them! You won't find a 30.06 sign anywhere around the place.
RJ
Re: CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:34 pm
by smoothoperator
I would have told him my armpit hair is even shorter.
SMOOTH Operator
Re: CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:09 pm
by Oldgringo
smoothoperator wrote:I would have told him my armpit hair is even shorter.
SMOOTH Operator
Yep, something ain't quite right about this whole scene. Where would he have looked next?
Re: CHL at the Doctors office.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:14 pm
by JP171
Oldgringo wrote:smoothoperator wrote:I would have told him my armpit hair is even shorter.
SMOOTH Operator
Yep, something ain't quite right about this whole scene. Where would he have looked next?
been there done that for a random LOL, yep it really is embaressing(SP?)