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IMO, concealed means concealed. Those that don't know don't need to know.

I will only use that card when ask to provide ID from a Officer of the law. I am very proud of having it but I feel no one but my close friends and family need to know I am armed or even have a License to be armed. Just mt 2 cents.

i have used it before. some people dont even pay attention to what it really is.. to them its just another ID. some people will comp your cover charge at certain bars .

I've only used it for ID once. I was opening an account with a stockbroker and needed to provide two picture IDs. They didn't say anything about it.

While I'm NOT a lawyer, I can read and understand...

GC §411.171.

DEFINITIONS.

(3) "Concealed handgun" means a handgun, the presence of which IS NOT OPENLY discernible to the ORDINARY OBSERVATION of a REASONABLE person.

This says nothing about verbal communication, as observation in this sense is visual as watching carefully to notice things. Just as an observertory has telescopes for visually looking at the universe.

I can tell anyone I want that I have a CHL, it means diddely (sic). Until you actually observe a weapon on my person it means nothing.

What does mean something is flashing, branshing the weapon---pulling it for no reason--pulling it out to show it to your friend or a co-worker and you are anywhere except at your own house or a range where you're practicing.

For instance: At work I can't carry, doesn't mean a few of us there don't talk about guns every day. We can discuss prices, and how well we do. They know I have a CHL and I know they don't... (most can't qualify for the CHL for one reason or another)... But just talking about one doesn't mean I have one on my person right then or it sure does not mean that any of them have guns on them either. It's just like when you don't have one on your person you don't have to show your CHL to a LEO!

Russ

evil_smurf wrote:As far as using the CHL as my ID, I personally fear the response I might get if I show it.

I think that's reasonable.

I bring magazines and interesting catalogs to work after I read them, and leave them in the break area. I left an NRA America's First Freedom one time, and a guy looked at me like I had plunked down hardcore porn or something. It turned out he was extremely opposed to individual ownership of weapons (despite having served in the military) and considered all NRA members gun nuts.

- Jim

evil_smurf wrote:Our instructor went over this part with us very well. Example:

Instructor: "Bad guy is coming at you and demands your money. He pulls a knife out on you. You respond by saying very loudly "Get the $*&% out of here or I'll blow your %*$%)$( head off!" Legal or not legal?"

Us: Legal!

Instructor: Correct!

One thing my instructor stressed was to be LOUD and CLEAR in the demands to the BG. and don't be vulgar. his reasoning was that when the witnesses come forward in your trial for killing the guy it would sound better to have said "FREEZE OR I *WILL* SHOOT!" vs "FREEZE YOU MFer OR I'LL SHOOT YOUR rear!"
he never said there was anything illegal about yelling the latter but just recommended you not use that method.

As for the CHL as ID, I don't use it. I don't want people to know that I carry. If I wanted them to know I carried, I would tell them. Its just less hassle in my mind to use the DL vs the CHL. they both reside in the same space in the wallet.

evil_smurf wrote:Our instructor went over this part with us very well. Example:

Instructor: "Bad guy is coming at you and demands your money. He pulls a knife out on you. You respond by saying very loudly "Get the $*&% out of here or I'll blow your %*$%)$( head off!" Legal or not legal?"

Us: Legal!

Instructor: Correct!

At that point I think I would have already drawn, so by the time I said anything they would already know I'm armed. Hopefully looking down the barrel of a gun would do more to stop the threat from advancing than any words I could say.

sparx wrote:

evil_smurf wrote:Our instructor went over this part with us very well. Example:

Instructor: "Bad guy is coming at you and demands your money. He pulls a knife out on you. You respond by saying very loudly "Get the $*&% out of here or I'll blow your %*$%)$( head off!" Legal or not legal?"

Us: Legal!

Instructor: Correct!

At that point I think I would have already drawn, so by the time I said anything they would already know I'm armed. Hopefully looking down the barrel of a gun would do more to stop the threat from advancing than any words I could say.

1TallTXn wrote:One thing my instructor stressed was to be LOUD and CLEAR in the demands to the BG. and don't be vulgar. his reasoning was that when the witnesses come forward in your trial for killing the guy it would sound better to have said "FREEZE OR I *WILL* SHOOT!" vs "FREEZE YOU MFer OR I'LL SHOOT YOUR rear!"

I've also heard that using the word "STOP!" is much more effective than the word "FREEZE!". (I wouldn't know from first-hand experience though, so feel free to take it for what it's worth.)

Never..Unless its a LEO and Im pulled over while driving..

sparx wrote:

1TallTXn wrote:One thing my instructor stressed was to be LOUD and CLEAR in the demands to the BG. and don't be vulgar. his reasoning was that when the witnesses come forward in your trial for killing the guy it would sound better to have said "FREEZE OR I *WILL* SHOOT!" vs "FREEZE YOU MFer OR I'LL SHOOT YOUR rear!"

I've also heard that using the word "STOP!" is much more effective than the word "FREEZE!". (I wouldn't know from first-hand experience though, so feel free to take it for what it's worth.)

Texas has a very large Mexican non-English speaking population. Stop is well understood and Universal. Freeze is not.

txinvestigator wrote:

sparx wrote:

1TallTXn wrote:One thing my instructor stressed was to be LOUD and CLEAR in the demands to the BG. and don't be vulgar. his reasoning was that when the witnesses come forward in your trial for killing the guy it would sound better to have said "FREEZE OR I *WILL* SHOOT!" vs "FREEZE YOU MFer OR I'LL SHOOT YOUR rear!"

I've also heard that using the word "STOP!" is much more effective than the word "FREEZE!". (I wouldn't know from first-hand experience though, so feel free to take it for what it's worth.)

Texas has a very large Mexican non-English speaking population. Stop is well understood and Universal. Freeze is not.

Where did "FREEZE" come fro manyway? Was it Manix or Rockford Files. Starsky & Hutch maybe..... Doesn't matter it was Hollywood I am willing to bet. I'l lbe yelling something I hope they understand me. :)