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I took my family to a restaurant today and they had a 51% sign in the window. This is a little burger joint in The Woodlands call Johnny Rockets and there is no way they are a 51% establishment. Do i have to obey the sign just because they posted it? Is it even legal to post the sign if it is essentially a lie?
Just wondering.

The controlling point is the TABC license. If TABC calls them a 51% place then they are - but that is NOT determined by those signs. Those signs are helpful, but they are not the requirement. Check the TABC license and if it says =Red, then it is a 51% place and you need to leave. If it says =Blue, then it is not a 51% place and the signs are meaningless to you.

But you might want to let TABC know that they have the wrong signs posted.

Kalrog wrote:The controlling point is the TABC license. If TABC calls them a 51% place then they are - but that is NOT determined by those signs. Those signs are helpful, but they are not the requirement. Check the TABC license and if it says =Red, then it is a 51% place and you need to leave. If it says =Blue, then it is not a 51% place and the signs are meaningless to you.

But you might want to let TABC know that they have the wrong signs posted.

I wouldn't carry in any place that has a 51% sign posted whether correct or not. It isn't worth the risk. Call the TABC and get the signs taken down if they are not correctly posted. No need to risk spending time and money trying to prove the place isn't correctly posted after a LEO shows up.

shootthesheet wrote:

Kalrog wrote:The controlling point is the TABC license. If TABC calls them a 51% place then they are - but that is NOT determined by those signs. Those signs are helpful, but they are not the requirement. Check the TABC license and if it says =Red, then it is a 51% place and you need to leave. If it says =Blue, then it is not a 51% place and the signs are meaningless to you.

But you might want to let TABC know that they have the wrong signs posted.

I wouldn't carry in any place that has a 51% sign posted whether correct or not. It isn't worth the risk. Call the TABC and get the signs taken down if they are not correctly posted. No need to risk spending time and money trying to prove the place isn't correctly posted after a LEO shows up.

Bettter safe than sorry I guess. If the gun is concealed, how would the LEO know you were carrying?

Liberty wrote:

shootthesheet wrote:

Kalrog wrote:The controlling point is the TABC license. If TABC calls them a 51% place then they are - but that is NOT determined by those signs. Those signs are helpful, but they are not the requirement. Check the TABC license and if it says =Red, then it is a 51% place and you need to leave. If it says =Blue, then it is not a 51% place and the signs are meaningless to you.

But you might want to let TABC know that they have the wrong signs posted.

I wouldn't carry in any place that has a 51% sign posted whether correct or not. It isn't worth the risk. Call the TABC and get the signs taken down if they are not correctly posted. No need to risk spending time and money trying to prove the place isn't correctly posted after a LEO shows up.

Bettter safe than sorry I guess. If the gun is concealed, how would the LEO know you were carrying?

Was it the Johnny Rockets franchise?

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I didn't even think they served alcohol.

Funny you mention this. I saw the same thing last week at a Thai place up in Legacy Plano shops. Two 51% signs right above each other but there's no way it could be true....

Darwood wrote:Was it the Johnny Rockets franchise?

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I didn't even think they served alcohol.

That's the one.

Guys its easy to follow the law here. The argument that it isn't worth the risk doesn't hold water. Why carry at all?

"No need to risk spending time and money trying to prove the place isn't correctly posted after a LEO shows up"
---Really? If they are called it will obviously be because you used your weapon to protect your life. Without it, you may be dead. How you can say that staying alive isn't worth the risk of pointing to a sign and calling the TABC is beyond me.



Either it is a 51% establishment or it is not. Reguardless of what signs are posted.
Check with the TABC. If its blue, they will require that the misleading and incorrect signage be removed. I was successful in getting a liquor store to pull its 51% signs with just one phone call to the TABC.

Check with the TABC. If its blue, they will require that the misleading and incorrect signage be removed. I was successful in getting a liquor store to pull its 51% signs with just one phone call to the TABC

I've looked at the TABC database, but can't determine from the type licence listed if it is blue or red. Is ther any way to determine this from the pub;ic TABC database, and if not, get this data added, since TABC obviously has it?
Thanks

One Shot wrote:

Check with the TABC. If its blue, they will require that the misleading and incorrect signage be removed. I was successful in getting a liquor store to pull its 51% signs with just one phone call to the TABC

I've looked at the TABC database, but can't determine from the type licence listed if it is blue or red. Is ther any way to determine this from the pub;ic TABC database, and if not, get this data added, since TABC obviously has it?
Thanks

The online database won't really tell you. The only one that is for sure not 51% is of they have a FB (food and beverage)licence, then there is no way they can be 51%.

The only sure fire method is to request a records check from the TABC or go look at the license.

Please remind me of the difference between and a blue and a red 51% sign.

Thanks!

On the license it will read Sign = Blue or Sign = Red. Blue is not 51%, Red is 51%

Thanks Keith!

What is the blue sign in regard to? I don't recall it from my last CHL class. (my memory must be slipping) All I recall is either a 30.06 or a red 51%...as they pertain to us CHLers.

Of course, I see the "Illegal to carry unlicensed weapons..." sign here and there, which I have no reason to consider. We're not speaking of that sign are we?

Thanks for your patience with my questions!

Abraham wrote:Thanks Keith!

What is the blue sign in regard to? I don't recall it from my last CHL class. (my memory must be slipping) All I recall is either a 30.06 or a red 51%...as they pertain to us CHLers.

Of course, I see the "Illegal to carry unlicensed weapons..." sign here and there, which I have no reason to consider. We're not speaking of that sign are we?

Thanks for your patience with my questions!

The blue sign is the one you see at convenience stores, etc. that states 'The unlicensed possession of a weapon....' The red sign will have a big red 51% in the middle of it.