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Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:23 pm
by WarHawk-AVG
BAYTOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT
PRESS RELEASE

Detective Sergeant Shawn Fischer
Public Information Officer
(281) 420.7181 office
E-mail: Shawn.Fischer@Baytown.org

For Immediate Release: October 27th, 2008


GARRY BRUMBACK
City Manager


Hero’s stop robber who pulled a shotgun on Officers
BPD Case 2008-48124


On Sunday afternoon October 26th 2008 at approximately 1:50 P.M., Baytown Police responded to a robbery in progress at H.E.B supermarket located at 2200 N. Main Street. Officer George Drude, Corporal Bill Nelson, and Sergeant Chris Rymer responded within minutes. When the Officers entered the store, they observed a W/M holding a B/M in a bear hug near the courtesy both in the front of the store. The Officers told the W/M to release the B/M and he did. Sergeant Rymer grabbed the B/M, who was later identified as Kyle Tezino 11-12-60, and Tezino immediately pulled away from Sergeant Rymer. The three Officers then attempted to control Tezino to take him into custody. A violent struggle insured and Tezino pulled a sawed off shot gun out of the front of his waist band that was hidden inside his coveralls. Officers used tasers several times and they also struck Tezino several times with no effect. Officer Drude observed the barrel of the shot gun was pointed directly at the face of Sergeant Rymer. Tezino was attempting to rack a live round into the chamber when Officer Drude forced his thumb into the ejection port of the shot gun. A spent round ejected from the weapon during this time. This stopped Tezino from loading the weapon. The violent struggle continued and Officer Drude was finally able to take the shot gun from Tezino. Tezino was then taken into custody and transported to the Baytown City Jail.

Officers interviewed store employees who told them Tezino knocked on the back door to the courtesy booth. A female employee opened the door thinking it was a delivery driver that had just left. Tezino asked her for an employment application. She told him they were not hiring and attempted to close the door. Tezino then pushed against the door and was trying to get in. The employee started screaming for help. She was still pushing the door, but Tezino started to gain control and enter the room. She could hear another female employee screaming in the background. At this point, 42 year old Joseph Miller W/M of Baytown was checking out and immediately responded to the calls for help. Miller grabbed Tezino in a choke hold and pulled him away from the door. The first female employee called 911 as Miller bravely held onto the robber. Officers then arrived and secured Tezino.

The shotgun Tezino had was a Remington 870 Police Magnum modified shot gun with a fourteen inch barrel. The weapon is used for law enforcement and is illegal for civilian use. A cheif of the weapon revealed it was stolen from a United States Government vehicle.

Officer Nelson broke his right hand during the violent encounter and was treated at San Jacinto Hospital. His left hand was also swollen and scratched. Sergeant Rymer received an injury to his right hand and went to see the City of Baytown Doctor on this date to get an x-ray completed. Officer Drude had a small laceration from when he put his thumb in the ejection port of the shot gun. He did not require any medical treatment.

At this time Tezino has been charged with Aggravated Robbery through the Harris County District Attorney’s Office. Baytown Detectives are investigating and addition charges may be filed at a later date.

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Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:24 pm
by WarHawk-AVG
I posted this here

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Ok..now question time

If you couldn't physically hold the guy, would it be acceptable to hold him at gunpoint?

The reason I am asking is I am a big guy..aka out of shape fatguy...but I am a card carrying goodguy and carry "the great equalizer" everywhere I go.

I do know that once a weapon is presented on either side the danger level rises for everyone involved and to those around..I'm just saying I might not have been strong enough to hold the badguy.

Now that I have seen a picture of him..I know I could have taken that putz!

Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:31 pm
by txflyer
When I first start reading ( I skipped the header and went straight to the body) my thoughts went "wow a decent reporter" Pretty much just facts. Then realized its the city manager. Sad day when a bureaucrat is better at reporting the facts than the press. That's not a dig at the city manager, just a dig at the press.

P.S. Good job to both the officers and the good samaritan.

Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:35 pm
by DoubleJ
BayTown PD wrote: The shotgun Tezino had was a Remington 870 Police Magnum modified shot gun with a fourteen inch barrel. The weapon is used for law enforcement and is illegal for civilian use. A cheif of the weapon revealed it was stolen from a United States Government vehicle.
was prolly taken from a BATFE agent....
:lol:

glad no one worthwhile was injured.

Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:09 pm
by Mike1951
Sounds to me like it was under control until the police intervened.

Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:24 pm
by Piney
all of this-- armed robber-- SB shotgun swinging around-- and all that went off were tazers ??

Glad to hear our town's officers weren't seriously injured !!

Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:44 pm
by NcongruNt
Piney wrote:all of this-- armed robber-- SB shotgun swinging around-- and all that went off were tazers ??

Glad to hear our town's officers weren't seriously injured !!
Well, there are a lot of things to consider that we don't know about. Depending on proximity of bystanders/etc. a firearm may not be an option. A criminal wrangling with multiple LEOs is not a good situation to be using a firearm. The story specifically notes that one LEO had a thumb in the ejection port of the SBS that the criminal was trying to operate - that sounds too close to use a sidearm. Another alternative would be a baton to the head, but again we don't know the orientation of everyone in the fray, so it my not have been an option. Personally, were I an LEO, I'd prefer not to shoot someone if I could help it, and it seems these guys did just that, with only relatively minor injuries.

Also, most people forget (or never knew) that a Taser is designed to be an alternative to deadly force, for deadly force scenarios where it may not be safe/preferred to use deadly force. Unfortunately, they have largely become perceived as compliance tools (which they were not intended to be), hence all of the public stories and outcry about many incidents where they are used as just that.

Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:17 pm
by WildBill
Tezino was then taken into custody and transported to the Baytown City Jail.
Tezino is lucky that he wasn't being transported to the Baytown City Morgue.

Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:47 pm
by bryang
"DoubleJ"
was prolly taken from a BATFE agent....
:lol:

glad no one worthwhile was injured.
Oh, you mean the one that is the ONLY one that is qualified to handle one of those firearms. It was probably during his demonstration that the BG stole it... :mrgreen:

I am glad that no one ended up getting hurt seriously and the BG ended up where he belongs and like Wild Bill said, Tezino is very lucky and he had better be thankful that he is still among the living.

-geo

Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:11 am
by srothstein
Warhawk,

I don't want your question to be ignored, so I will take a stab at it. Yes, you would be justified in holding the suspect at gunpoint.

BUT, this would be one of those situations where I don't think it would have been a great idea. From the way this guy reacted with the cops, if you had drawn on him it would have ended up in a shooting. That might not be a bad ending but there is no real guarantee who would win the gun fight.

Also, consider the response of the cops to a girl calling in a robbery and seeing you holding a gun out on someone. It would probably cause some confusion until things got sorted out. If you do hold someone at gun point, be ready to do exactly what the cops say when they arrive.

Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:19 am
by bpet
"The three Officers then attempted to control Tezino to take him into custody. A violent struggle insured and Tezino pulled a sawed off shot gun out of the front of his waist band that was hidden inside his coveralls."

While I own a Remington 870 with a 13.5" barrel, I can't imagine carrying it in my pants and being able to draw it while struggling with three police officers who were trying to arrest me. BG must have practiced this draw a lot before the encounter.

Considering the amount of tugging required to complete this maneuver, it's probably a good idea he didn't have a live round in the chamber.

Also, I'm not sure I want to subject my thumb to the obvious leverage disadvantage experienced by the police officer. There are a lot of sharp edges around that ejection port. I'm surprised the officer kept his thumb attached.

Gongrats to the LEOs on a successful take down but I'll bet there's a lot of second guessing going on after the fact.

Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:24 am
by DoubleJ
bryang wrote:
DoubleJ wrote: was prolly taken from a BATFE agent....
:lol:

glad no one worthwhile was injured.
Oh, you mean the one that is the ONLY one that is qualified to handle one of those firearms. It was probably during his demonstration that the BG stole it...
:lol: no doubt.

actually I was referencing a recent thread that had information that stated a superfluous number of firearms stolen from BATFE agents.

Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:13 am
by Purplehood
I think it is a positive sign that LEO's DO NOT automatically resort to the use of firearms in tense situations.

Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:44 pm
by Odin
NcongruNt wrote:Also, most people forget (or never knew) that a Taser is designed to be an alternative to deadly force, for deadly force scenarios where it may not be safe/preferred to use deadly force. Unfortunately, they have largely become perceived as compliance tools (which they were not intended to be), hence all of the public stories and outcry about many incidents where they are used as just that.

Says who?

Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:35 am
by NcongruNt
Odin wrote:
NcongruNt wrote:Also, most people forget (or never knew) that a Taser is designed to be an alternative to deadly force, for deadly force scenarios where it may not be safe/preferred to use deadly force. Unfortunately, they have largely become perceived as compliance tools (which they were not intended to be), hence all of the public stories and outcry about many incidents where they are used as just that.

Says who?

Says the company who designed it. At least that's how it was promoted and sold to LE agencies.