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National Cemetery

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:33 am
by TX_Jim
Going to visit grandma and grandpa’s grave today at Ft. Sam National Cemetery…is it legal to there?

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:58 am
by seamusTX
Probably not. It's a federal facility, operated by the Veterans Administration.

- Jim

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:08 pm
by KBCraig
It's not a "facility" according to 18 USC 930. It's all outdoors, no checkpoint, etc.

Here's the information page:
http://www.cem.va.gov/CEM/cems/nchp/ftsamhouston.asp

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:21 pm
by seamusTX
I can never keep this federal stuff straight.

I normally don't go to any federal facility except the post office, which in Galveston is also the U.S. district courthouse.

- Jim

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:49 am
by TX_Jim
I ended up bringing my firearm but I disarmed prior to entry and locked it away for the entire time i was there. The only reason for choosing to do so is that I knew we would be going other places after visiting grandma and grandpa and I wanted my firearm for eveywhere else.

Thankfully things were uneventful.

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:48 pm
by Penn
KBCraig wrote:It's not a "facility" according to 18 USC 930. It's all outdoors, no checkpoint, etc.

Here's the information page:
http://www.cem.va.gov/CEM/cems/nchp/ftsamhouston.asp
Whether it's a"facility" or not does not matter. It's covered under 38 CFR 1.218 (13).

Authority and rules of conduct. Pursuant to 38 U.S.C. 901, the
following rules and regulations apply at all property under the charge
and control of VA (and not under the charge and control of the General
Services Administration) and to all persons entering in

(13) Weapons and explosives. No person while on property shall carry
firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either
openly or concealed, except for official purpose.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin ... &TYPE=TEXT

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:29 pm
by NinteenEleven
Penn wrote:Whether it's a"facility" or not does not matter. It's covered under 38 CFR 1.218 (13). ...
(13) Weapons and explosives. No person while on property shall carry
firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either
openly or concealed, except for official purpose.
I believe that an "Official Purpose," is self-defense. If it weren't so, TX would not have a Law allowing Concealed Carry.

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:20 am
by Penn
NinteenEleven wrote:
Penn wrote:Whether it's a"facility" or not does not matter. It's covered under 38 CFR 1.218 (13). ...
(13) Weapons and explosives. No person while on property shall carry
firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either
openly or concealed, except for official purpose.
I believe that an "Official Purpose," is self-defense. If it weren't so, TX would not have a Law allowing Concealed Carry.
Like they say - "tell it to the judge"

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:15 am
by frankie_the_yankee
NinteenEleven wrote:
Penn wrote:Whether it's a"facility" or not does not matter. It's covered under 38 CFR 1.218 (13). ...
(13) Weapons and explosives. No person while on property shall carry
firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either
openly or concealed, except for official purpose.
I believe that an "Official Purpose," is self-defense. If it weren't so, TX would not have a Law allowing Concealed Carry.
Nope.

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:21 am
by Mithras61
NinteenEleven wrote:
Penn wrote:Whether it's a"facility" or not does not matter. It's covered under 38 CFR 1.218 (13). ...
(13) Weapons and explosives. No person while on property shall carry
firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either
openly or concealed, except for official purpose.
I believe that an "Official Purpose," is self-defense. If it weren't so, TX would not have a Law allowing Concealed Carry.
I believe you need an official purpose like military salutes. I don't think they'd believe me if I had to tell 'em that the zombies are gonna get me if I don't have my gun :shock: :lol:

I tell ya, the "authorities" can be pretty narrow minded on stuff like that! (j/k)