Thoughts on in home service

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Right2Carry wrote:
KBCraig wrote:It's a shame that you can't distinguish that your plan has exactly the same effect, whether in a private residence or a public business: keeping out the law abiding, while doing nothing to deter criminals.

If you could overcome that, your argument might have merit. You can't, and it doesn't.
The differance is I don't allow criminals in my house, maybe you do, but I don't.
No, the difference is that you think you're not allowing criminals in your house.

Scenario: You meet a repairman at the door, verbally inform him that he's not allowed to carry a concealed handgun, and ask him to sign a declaration to that effect.

Likely result: If he's a CHL, he's probably going to think, "Well, this guy is hinky as all Hades!" He'll head back to his truck, and keep going.

If he's not a CHL, and not a criminal, he'll shrug and think you're some anti-gun nut, and probably continue his job.

If he's an armed criminal, he'll laugh inwardly while signing your paperwork.

It is not a business and that makes all the differance. Personally I know that the law does not distinguish between business and a private home.
Make up your mind.

The fact is I can choose who I allow into my home and who I don't allow, that is my right and neither you or anyone else can take that right away from me.
No one has proposed taking that right away from you. You have every right to demand repairmen submit to a metal detector, strip search, and cavity search before entering your home.

Good luck with that.

A business owner may not discriminate, but a homeowner can discriminate who he or she allows in thier house without any repurcussions.
Business owners have wide latitude to discriminate. There are certain protected classes they can't legally discriminate against, but they can legally discriminate against everyone else. No shirt? No service. No shoes? No service. No outside food or drink allowed. Wearing clothing the management considers inappropriate? Hit the road! Carrying a concealed handgun under the authority of Government Code chapter 411? You can't proceed past this PC 30.06 notice.

YOU may feel comfortable letting a complete stranger in your house with your love ones without knowing how the weapon is secured, what kind of training the individual has, or even if the gun is secured.
I assume everyone I meet, including complete strangers, are armed. You're assuming that your "checklist for repairmen" will magically assure that they're not.

You seem to think that you can wave a wand and make your home a "Guns-free zone except for me and mine". The fact that it's your home, instead of a business open to the public, is irrelevant: "gun free" is, and will always be, a fiction.

Kevin

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KBCraig wrote:
Right2Carry wrote:
KBCraig wrote:It's a shame that you can't distinguish that your plan has exactly the same effect, whether in a private residence or a public business: keeping out the law abiding, while doing nothing to deter criminals.

If you could overcome that, your argument might have merit. You can't, and it doesn't.
The differance is I don't allow criminals in my house, maybe you do, but I don't.
No, the difference is that you think you're not allowing criminals in your house.

Scenario: You meet a repairman at the door, verbally inform him that he's not allowed to carry a concealed handgun, and ask him to sign a declaration to that effect.

Likely result: If he's a CHL, he's probably going to think, "Well, this guy is hinky as all Hades!" He'll head back to his truck, and keep going.

If he's not a CHL, and not a criminal, he'll shrug and think you're some anti-gun nut, and probably continue his job.

If he's an armed criminal, he'll laugh inwardly while signing your paperwork.

It is not a business and that makes all the differance. Personally I know that the law does not distinguish between business and a private home.
Make up your mind.

The fact is I can choose who I allow into my home and who I don't allow, that is my right and neither you or anyone else can take that right away from me.
No one has proposed taking that right away from you. You have every right to demand repairmen submit to a metal detector, strip search, and cavity search before entering your home.

Good luck with that.

A business owner may not discriminate, but a homeowner can discriminate who he or she allows in thier house without any repurcussions.
Business owners have wide latitude to discriminate. There are certain protected classes they can't legally discriminate against, but they can legally discriminate against everyone else. No shirt? No service. No shoes? No service. No outside food or drink allowed. Wearing clothing the management considers inappropriate? Hit the road! Carrying a concealed handgun under the authority of Government Code chapter 411? You can't proceed past this PC 30.06 notice.

YOU may feel comfortable letting a complete stranger in your house with your love ones without knowing how the weapon is secured, what kind of training the individual has, or even if the gun is secured.
I assume everyone I meet, including complete strangers, are armed. You're assuming that your "checklist for repairmen" will magically assure that they're not.

You seem to think that you can wave a wand and make your home a "Guns-free zone except for me and mine". The fact that it's your home, instead of a business open to the public, is irrelevant: "gun free" is, and will always be, a fiction.

Kevin
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Re: Thoughts on in home service

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Post by Frost »

Whoops, i meant to reply to the post(link) in the New to CHL forum. I looked up this thread for reference and accidentally replied to it.

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