Church is considering posting 30.06

[Samurai Blur]

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Well, I can't find it on the website unfortunately, but I saw the front page of the Arkansas Democrat today at the college library. It appears that there was a church shooting yesterday. I man walked into achurch and shot the preacher, stabbed two others to death and then turned on himself (suicide, as usual). I'll post an article if I can find one elsewhere. Maybe you should tell this to your church pastor. The police didn't even get there before the gunman turned on himself. (My dad said that the gunman is hospitalized and not dead, but I'm not so sure about that)

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Here it is. It appears his gun jammed and no one was stabbed "to death" but were taken to the hospital after tackling him. What if his gun hadn't jammed and no one had a gun to stop him with. Surely the pastor of your church (with all due respect) has enough sense to know that the police would not have been able to save those he would have killed had his gun not jammed.

[Keith B]

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Well, I can't find it on the website unfortunately, but I saw the front page of the Arkansas Democrat today at the college library. It appears that there was a church shooting yesterday. I man walked into achurch and shot the preacher, stabbed two others to death and then turned on himself (suicide, as usual). I'll post an article if I can find one elsewhere. Maybe you should tell this to your church pastor. The police didn't even get there before the gunman turned on himself. (My dad said that the gunman is hospitalized and not dead, but I'm not so sure about that)

EDIT:
http://christianpost.com/Society/Genera ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here it is. It appears his gun jammed and no one was stabbed "to death" but were taken to the hospital after tackling him. What if his gun hadn't jammed and no one had a gun to stop him with. Surely the pastor of your church (with all due respect) has enough sense to know that the police would not have been able to save those he would have killed had his gun not jammed.

There's already a thread going on the church shooting here http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... =7&t=23113" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[tfrazier]

...He said that if the cops show up for an active shooter situation and you have a gun in your hand then they will shoot you. He also said that the avg CHL holder qualifies once. SWAT team qualifies twice a month or something like that...

Tired, old, and not necessarily true argument. My CHL instructor was pretty clear on how to handle police response when you're a CHL holder and in the middle or aftermath of an incident. Not getting shot by the good guys is mostly a matter of exercising common sense.

The average law abiding citizen will believe just about anything a LEO tells them until they are given proof otherwise. As a former veteran police officer, I know that just having a badge to go along with your gun does not make you a better marksman. As a former police officer who routinely burned 300+ rounds at the range almost every workday after shift I know that no one else in my department shot that much, but a few of them were still better than me. Most of them, however, only fired practice rounds once a year at qualification time. I'm sure the law requires qualification more often now, but back when I was a cop (1987-1995) the test wasn't any more difficult that the shooting exam for CHL is today.

Needless to say, most of the guys I worked with were lousy shots, to say the least. On the other hand, every one of them were as dependable as steel, and none shirked at wading into a fight. I had the highest regard for my fellow officers, and I still respect and admire all that the LEOs do for us in this country.

Back when I was an officer, every street cop in the department was pro-concealed carry for civilians. Most of the brass was on the other side. Nowadays the patrol officers I meet seem to be divided almost 50/50 on the subject, but I'm in the big city and I guess the influence of the national liberal chiefs' organization has a little more sway.

The best way to place your side of the argument would be to find a respected law enforcement officer who shares your opinion on the matter and get him/her to make the argument along with you, and have the facts at hand as others have already stated. The individual you need may just be a member on this forum. The weight of that first guys badge is not going to be easy to lift without the weight of another badge to level it out.