One in the chamber or not?

[The_Busy_Mom]

We will have to agree to disagree.

TBM

[Wtxchooter]

First thing to remember is that the most important safety is the one between your ears. The idea of carrying with one in the chamber scared me to death when I first started carrying. Experience and constant practice with my firearms gave me confidence to carry in condition one (cocked and locked). The realization with drills and practice that I would likely not have time to chamber a round if placed between the rock and the proverbial hard place convinced me of the necessity. Get comfortable with your tool. If you can't get comfortable, find another tool. I have a glock I never carry because it is a tool I could never get comfortable with (not trying to start a glock riot). On the other hand, I have two 1911's and an XDS that are always condition 1 when they are on my person. If you're not there yet, practice, and get training if need be. You'll be glad you did.

[strider67]

Sig P229 .40. In the chamber. Hammer down.

[jbarn]

We will have to agree to disagree.

TBM

We certainly do.

Would you answer the revolver question? Would you carry a revolver cocked?

[The Annoyed Man]

We will have to agree to disagree.

TBM

We certainly do.

Would you answer the revolver question? Would you carry a revolver cocked?

I can't answer for her, but I can answer for me. The only DA/SA revolver I own is a 5" Model 29. The single action letoff weight is "a hard stare" on my seat of the pants scale. Seeing as it has no safety other than the one between my ears, and seeing that the one between my ears is quite robust, I wouldn't dare carry that hand-cannon cocked without a safety. The fireball alone would set my clothes on fire, leaving a sizeable impact crater where my foot used to be.

[Cedar Park Dad]

We will have to agree to disagree.

TBM

We certainly do.

Would you answer the revolver question? Would you carry a revolver cocked?

I can't answer for her, but I can answer for me. The only DA/SA revolver I own is a 5" Model 29. The single action letoff weight is "a hard stare" on my seat of the pants scale. Seeing as it has no safety other than the one between my ears, and seeing that the one between my ears is quite robust, I wouldn't dare carry that hand-cannon cocked without a safety. The fireball alone would set my clothes on fire, leaving a sizeable impact crater where my foot used to be.

Agreed on all points. I reckoned a heavy breath would fire my 29 in SA mode, but it sure was accurate.

Cocked and locked is the condition the 1911 was designed for. An empty chamber is another safe method (and the topic of the thread no). Cocked/hammer down though - why is this even being discussed?

[RKlenka]

M&Pc here with one in the chamber, no safety, stock (for now) 6.5lb trigger.

How heavy of a trigger pull is The_Busy_Mom's trigger pull with the hammer back? If its a decent weight then i dont see how it would be any more risky than a striker fired handgun of a decent weight, or any firearm hammer down with a similar pull weight. If it was a significantly lighter pull weight then i would have to put more thought into carrying it safety off hammer back.

I have a Beretta 92 that i don't carry concealed, but if i did it would be one in the chamber, safety off, hammer down. The trigger on that one in SA is so light that i wouldn't even dare to carry it hammer back. But i would have no problem carrying hammer down. Any DA/SA i would carry would be safety off hammer down unless the SA has a decent trigger pull to it. Same with any revolvers.

Still the key is to always keep your bugger hook of the bang switch

[Jaguar]

Agreed on all points. I reckoned a heavy breath would fire my 29 in SA mode, but it sure was accurate.

Cocked and locked is the condition the 1911 was designed for. An empty chamber is another safe method (and the topic of the thread no). Cocked/hammer down though - why is this even being discussed?

Because not all pistols are 1911 and a Sig 2022 is designed to be carried hammer down so the first round is double action and subsequent shots are single action. Carrying a Sig cocked is equivalent to carrying a revolver cocked. Sig designed their pistol with no external safeties and rely on the double action trigger to be long and heavy enough to prevent negligent discharges the same way DAO striker fired pistols and revolvers do. Carrying in condition zero is not the way I would carry a revolver, or a Sig.

[Vol Texan]

Agreed on all points. I reckoned a heavy breath would fire my 29 in SA mode, but it sure was accurate.

Cocked and locked is the condition the 1911 was designed for. An empty chamber is another safe method (and the topic of the thread no). Cocked/hammer down though - why is this even being discussed?

Because not all pistols are 1911 and a Sig 2022 is designed to be carried hammer down so the first round is double action and subsequent shots are single action. Carrying a Sig cocked is equivalent to carrying a revolver cocked. Sig designed their pistol with no external safeties and rely on the double action trigger to be long and heavy enough to prevent negligent discharges the same way DAO striker fired pistols and revolvers do. Carrying in condition zero is not the way I would carry a revolver, or a Sig.

You're right on, Jaguar. I carry my 2022 daily with a full mag plus one in the chamber, hammer forward. I didn't even know there was any other way to carry it.

When I carried a Beretta as a duty weapon, I did exactly the same.

[Cedar Park Dad]

Agreed on all points. I reckoned a heavy breath would fire my 29 in SA mode, but it sure was accurate.

Cocked and locked is the condition the 1911 was designed for. An empty chamber is another safe method (and the topic of the thread no). Cocked/hammer down though - why is this even being discussed?

Because not all pistols are 1911 and a Sig 2022 is designed to be carried hammer down so the first round is double action and subsequent shots are single action. Carrying a Sig cocked is equivalent to carrying a revolver cocked. Sig designed their pistol with no external safeties and rely on the double action trigger to be long and heavy enough to prevent negligent discharges the same way DAO striker fired pistols and revolvers do. Carrying in condition zero is not the way I would carry a revolver, or a Sig.

You're right on, Jaguar. I carry my 2022 daily with a full mag plus one in the chamber, hammer forward. I didn't even know there was any other way to carry it.

When I carried a Beretta as a duty weapon, I did exactly the same.

And that is how my wife carries her Beretta storm, and how it was designed. A good DA/SA is perfectly safe in that manner. I thought some were discussing carrying a 1911 cocked with the hammer down, which is bad and they should feel bad. Mayhaps I was mistaken.

[timdsmith72]

And that is how my wife carries her Beretta storm, and how it was designed. A good DA/SA is perfectly safe in that manner. I thought some were discussing carrying a 1911 cocked with the hammer down, which is bad and they should feel bad. Mayhaps I was mistaken.

Someone mentioned that they always carry their 2022 One in the chamber, hammer back. That's how we got off on this discussion.

[Cedar Park Dad]

And that is how my wife carries her Beretta storm, and how it was designed. A good DA/SA is perfectly safe in that manner. I thought some were discussing carrying a 1911 cocked with the hammer down, which is bad and they should feel bad. Mayhaps I was mistaken.

Someone mentioned that they always carry their 2022 One in the chamber, hammer back. That's how we got off on this discussion.

Sorry my bad then. I'm fully supportive of a one in chamber/hammer down/safety off (if have one) in a good DA/SA.

[The Annoyed Man]

How heavy of a trigger pull is The_Busy_Mom's trigger pull with the hammer back? If its a decent weight then i dont see how it would be any more risky than a striker fired handgun of a decent weight, or any firearm hammer down with a similar pull weight. If it was a significantly lighter pull weight then i would have to put more thought into carrying it safety off hammer back.

Per the Sig website, the SA pull for the SP2022 is 4.4 lb, or about the same as for a cocked 1911:

On pistols like Glocks, M&Ps, and XD/XDMs, in addition to the trigger safety mechanisms, the striker is only partially cocked by the motion of the slide. Pulling the trigger completes the cocking before the striker is released. On a hammer fired pistol like the Sigs, H&K USP, and 1911s, when the hammer is cocked, the gun is only a very slight pull from being fired. A hammer fired pistol with a 4.4 lb SA pull should never be carried in Condition 0. As I have stated in other posts, I have gotten home at the end of the day and found that my holstered cocked and locked 1911 was no longer locked. Somehow, the thumb safety had been disengaged. However, I did not worry about it too much because the lack of pressure on the grip safety would have kept the gun from firing even if the trigger had somehow been exposed. I simply flicked the thumb safety back on before unholstering. Ditto both my XDM and XDS....they both have a grip safety which means that the gun has to be deliberately fired after unholstering. My old HK USP Compact had a combination thumb safety/decocker level. I could carry it either decocked in DA, or cocked and locked in SA. But there was no way in tarnation I was going to carry it cocked and NOT locked.

But the SP2022 has no grip safety, and it has a 4.4 lb SA pull with the hammer fully cocked and ready to go. It has a decocker, but no safety which locks the hammer. That means that it was designed to be carried decocked. Carrying it cocked, and not locked, runs against both the manufacturer's recommendations and the buns design parameters. That just seems like a recipe for disaster to me. But to each his or her own, I suppose.

[jbarn]

But the SP2022 has no grip safety, and it has a 4.4 lb SA pull with the hammer fully cocked and ready to go. It has a decocker, but no safety which locks the hammer. That means that it was designed to be carried decocked. Carrying it cocked, and not locked, runs against both the manufacturer's recommendations and the buns design parameters. That just seems like a recipe for disaster to me. But to each his or her own, I suppose.

Unless one instructs others in that method, or calls it a viable carry method for students. Then it is not "each to their own". We have an enormous responsibility as instructors. Carrying in such a dangerous manner is irresponsible, IMO.

I agree with everything you wrote.

[The_Busy_Mom]

I am not trying to chastise you...... but I am just going to disagree.

We will have to agree to disagree.

TBM

Unless one instructs others in that method, or calls it a viable carry method for students. Then it is not "each to their own". We have an enormous responsibility as instructors. Carrying in such a dangerous manner is irresponsible, IMO.

I answered the OP, which was whether or not you should carry one in the chamber. You came back and showed that, while you were not trying to chastise, you would disagree with my method of carry. I ended with that fact that we would agree to disagree. Yet you continue to harp. For someone who is not trying to chastise another, you sure aren't doing a very good job. I am trying to stay on topic of the thread. So let me go ahead and change my post so that you will feel better, and you can stop chastising me for my choice.

I am a girl.
I carry a Sig 2022 in 9mm.
I carry with 15 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. Hornady hollow points.
I am cocked an locked, hammer DOWN.
My safety is to keep your booger hooker off the bang button.
I am well trained.
I am prepared.
That is all.

TBM

This should remain on topic to one in the chamber or not. Start your own thread if you want someone to debate carry choice with you; however, it will not be me. I am no good at debate.

TBM