Police/Bartender Brawl in Chicago:

[90north]

Someone may have posted this and I missed it, This assault took place almost 6 weeks ago. The officer in question went to "rehab" until March 5 and was originally charged with a misdemeanor. After the video surfaced the State Attorney General assumed the case and upgraded the charges to a felony. Be interesting to see how this plays out.

[stevie_d_64]

Someone may have posted this and I missed it, This assault took place almost 6 weeks ago. The officer in question went to "rehab" until March 5 and was originally charged with a misdemeanor. After the video surfaced the State Attorney General assumed the case and upgraded the charges to a felony. Be interesting to see how this plays out.

Can this really happen???

If the case was already adjudicated, and the police officer went to rehab (possibly by order of the court) how can they (AG) upgrade the charges just because the video made it to a wider audience???

Punished, but not punished enough??? hmmmmm???

[txinvestigator]

Someone may have posted this and I missed it, This assault took place almost 6 weeks ago. The officer in question went to "rehab" until March 5 and was originally charged with a misdemeanor. After the video surfaced the State Attorney General assumed the case and upgraded the charges to a felony. Be interesting to see how this plays out.

Can this really happen???

If the case was already adjudicated, and the police officer went to rehab (possibly by order of the court) how can they (AG) upgrade the charges just because the video made it to a wider audience???

Punished, but not punished enough??? hmmmmm???

6 weeks is really not enough time to adjudicate the case. I bet the officer did rehab and the demand of his department or the advice of his attorney to show that he is working on his problem (works for celebrities). Charges can be changed anytime before trial.

[Venus Pax]

Jason, congrats to you & Kimberly!

Also, you're reasoning is why I have decided not to pull over for the flashing lights on deserted roads. (I've never been pulled over on a deserted road, but have made my decision.)

Like you & Kimberly, I realize this may get me a ticket, or even a stay in the gray-bar motel, but believe it's the wisest choice.

Most officers I have talked to understand this reasoning.

[flintknapper]

Someone may have posted this and I missed it, This assault took place almost 6 weeks ago. The officer in question went to "rehab" until March 5 and was originally charged with a misdemeanor. After the video surfaced the State Attorney General assumed the case and upgraded the charges to a felony. Be interesting to see how this plays out.

Can this really happen???

If the case was already adjudicated, and the police officer went to rehab (possibly by order of the court) how can they (AG) upgrade the charges just because the video made it to a wider audience???

Punished, but not punished enough??? hmmmmm???

6 weeks is really not enough time to adjudicate the case. I bet the officer did rehab and the demand of his department or the advice of his attorney to show that he is working on his problem (works for celebrities). Charges can be changed anytime before trial.

Bingo!

[NguyenVanDon]

Here's the video for everyone that can't view it.

http://break.com/index/chicago_cop_beat ... ender.html


After watching this, it piss me off to watch a male hitting this woman. Doesn't matter she pushes, slaps, or punch you. You NEVER put your hands on a female at all. Maybe that is how I was raised up.

[txinvestigator]

After watching this, it piss me off to watch a male hitting this woman. Doesn't matter she pushes, slaps, or punch you. You NEVER put your hands on a female at all. Maybe that is how I was raised up.

You know, I hear that all of the time. I am talking outside of the context of this incident, but hitting or using force on a female is not, in and of itself, bad or immoral.

I might take a slap from a woman, but not much more. I sparred women in TKD and Krav Maga what could severly injure you if they wanted.

If a female attacks me, I will defend myself. Maybe everyone means that if at all possible a male should walk away rather than lay hands upon a woman. I would agree with that.

[stevie_d_64]

Someone may have posted this and I missed it, This assault took place almost 6 weeks ago. The officer in question went to "rehab" until March 5 and was originally charged with a misdemeanor. After the video surfaced the State Attorney General assumed the case and upgraded the charges to a felony. Be interesting to see how this plays out.

Can this really happen???

If the case was already adjudicated, and the police officer went to rehab (possibly by order of the court) how can they (AG) upgrade the charges just because the video made it to a wider audience???

Punished, but not punished enough??? hmmmmm???

6 weeks is really not enough time to adjudicate the case. I bet the officer did rehab and the demand of his department or the advice of his attorney to show that he is working on his problem (works for celebrities). Charges can be changed anytime before trial.

Yep...

[MAFWG]

Appearances can be very deceiving and domestic disputes are very difficult to figure out. I was involved in an incident once where a man was attacking a woman ... or appeared to be. It was at a festival in Addison several years ago at about 9:30 PM. My wife and I were walking back to our car which was parked in a grass lot with no lighting. There were several other people around also. As we neared our car, we could see and hear some sort of altercation taking place in front of us. Upon getting closer, we could tell that there was a young guy (mid 20's) struggling with a woman and yelling about his cell phone. My wife got out her cell phone and called 9-1-1 while I walked around the car that was between us and the wrestling couple. It was dark and we couldn't really see what was happening, so, rather than taking any physical action, I just said, "What's going on here?", expecting the woman to ask for help if she needed it. As soon as I spoke, the guy let go of the woman, stepped away from her and said something like, "I don't want any trouble here."

Now, I should probably mention that this guy was about 5'7" and thin, while I am 6'4" in boots and around 250 lbs. In the dark, I must have looked like a giant to him as he was acting like he was afraid that I was going to stomp him into the dirt (not much chance of that, I'm no fighter). I talked to him for several minutes while the woman ran and got into a car parked nearby. I was hoping that I could distract the guy while the woman left, but no such luck. She was waiting for him! It turns out that they were a couple, got into an argument and she had thrown his cell phone somewhere in the grass in the parking lot. Since it soon became obvious that she was not going to leave without him, I helped him find his phone (took about 3 minutes since I always carry a small flashlight) and he got in the car with her (she was driving) and they left. We reported it to 9-1-1 anyway.

Now here's the part of this that REALLY bothered me. When I walked up on this scene, there were at least 5 other people just standing nearby and watching! Kinda like the other two people watching in the Bartender video, no-one wanted to get involved, but they DID want to watch. I can't stand by and let someone get assaulted if they really want help and I can't understand the mentality of those who are able to just watch an attack without even calling for help.

I have often wondered if she eventually left the guy or if this situation finally escalated to the point where one of them (or both) ended up in the hospital. Or morgue.

And if their "friends" just watched.

[dihappy]

Now here's the part of this that REALLY bothered me. When I walked up on this scene, there were at least 5 other people just standing nearby and watching! Kinda like the other two people watching in the Bartender video, no-one wanted to get involved, but they DID want to watch. I can't stand by and let someone get assaulted if they really want help and I can't understand the mentality of those who are able to just watch an attack without even calling for help.
And if their "friends" just watched.

I know what you mean, its just like in that video i posted showing that big black guy beat down that one guy on his cell phone and about 5 other guys just standing there waiting for their pizza. Sheesh.

[Tote 9]

Jason, congrats to you & Kimberly!

Also, you're reasoning is why I have decided not to pull over for the flashing lights on deserted roads. (I've never been pulled over on a deserted road, but have made my decision.)

Like you & Kimberly, I realize this may get me a ticket, or even a stay in the gray-bar motel, but believe it's the wisest choice.

Most officers I have talked to understand this reasoning.

I have told my wife more than once, Never pull over because
a car has flashing lights if she is on an isolated road or street at night.
She should continue driving untill she can see the markings on the car
or she gets to a place where there are people or traffic.

[srothstein]

Jason, congrats to you & Kimberly!

Also, you're reasoning is why I have decided not to pull over for the flashing lights on deserted roads. (I've never been pulled over on a deserted road, but have made my decision.)

Like you & Kimberly, I realize this may get me a ticket, or even a stay in the gray-bar motel, but believe it's the wisest choice.

Most officers I have talked to understand this reasoning.

That is the truth. The law requires you to pull over and stop for any emergency vehicle, and does not give a time place to do so. Most officers will give you time to get to someplace reasonable if you let them know you are doing so. Slow down, put on the four way flashers or something and drive to a lit place and most cops will understand.

Of course, there are always a few idiots in any large group, so you have to understand that some cop will get upset about it one day. I would recommend you do it anyway. And then let his supervisor know about it after the situation is done with.

[KRM45]

I like to think I would have hopped over the bar and intervened on the bartenders behalf.

I find the side dicussion interesting about pulling over for the police on dimly lit isolated roads. I can certainly see the concern from the perspective of impersonators. I can see where this would add a lot of stress to the officer's siuation too.

My only thought is if you are not going to pull over, try to make sure the officer knows what you're doing. Slow down, turn on flashers, turn on dome light, call 911 and explain in detail to the dispatcher who you are, where you are, and tell them you need confirmation of the LEO following you. Then find a lighted populated spot ASAP.

FYI...

§ 545.421. FLEEING OR ATTEMPTING TO ELUDE POLICE OFFICER; OFFENSE.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person operates a
motor vehicle and wilfully fails or refuses to bring the vehicle to
a stop or flees, or attempts to elude, a pursuing police vehicle
when given a visual or audible signal to bring the vehicle to a
stop.

(b) A signal under this section that is given by a police
officer pursuing a vehicle may be by hand, voice, emergency light,
or siren. The officer giving the signal must be in uniform and
prominently display the officer's badge of office. The officer's
vehicle must be appropriately marked as an official police vehicle.

(c) Except as provided by Subsection (d), an offense under
this section is a Class B misdemeanor.

(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor
if the person, during the commission of the offense, recklessly
engages in conduct that places another in imminent danger of
serious bodily injury.

(e) A person is presumed to have recklessly engaged in
conduct placing another in imminent danger of serious bodily injury
under Subsection (d) if the person while intoxicated knowingly
operated a motor vehicle during the commission of the offense. In
this subsection, "intoxicated" has the meaning assigned by Section
49.01, Penal Code.

[razoraggie]

Call me quick to jump the gun....but in a situation like that, my wife would've "stopped the threat" right then and there. Seeing that video makes me say a few things to myself that I cannot type here. That cop needs to be put in General Population at Jouliette and get a taste of a humiliating "beat down". I hope he gets all that is coming to him ten-fold.

[TX Rancher]

After watching this, it piss me off to watch a male hitting this woman. Doesn't matter she pushes, slaps, or punch you. You NEVER put your hands on a female at all. Maybe that is how I was raised up.

You know, I hear that all of the time. I am talking outside of the context of this incident, but hitting or using force on a female is not, in and of itself, bad or immoral.

I might take a slap from a woman, but not much more. I sparred women in TKD and Krav Maga what could severly injure you if they wanted.

If a female attacks me, I will defend myself. Maybe everyone means that if at all possible a male should walk away rather than lay hands upon a woman. I would agree with that.

I agree…If I read you right, you’re saying you will defend yourself if attacked whether it be male or female.

In our society it is generally accepted that initiating physical violence on females is wrong, but I know of no “standard� that says you have to take physical abuse from a female…