Government shutdown

[Oldgringo]

FWIW, this president will not be closing the Smithsonian, or blocking off national monuments during the shutdown.
So there's that.

The Smithsonian closed yesterday.

Trump did not close the Smithsonian, the Democrats and some RINOs, by ignoring Border Security in the budget.

Exactly!

President Trump did not shut down the government. The Congress did that and those freeloading hypocrites got paid after doing it.

TERM LIMITS NOW!

[tbrown]

How can you tell the government is shut down? Asking for a friend.

It's a subtle difference, if you're not one of the people directly affected, but the most obvious sign of a federal government "shutdown" is when we have to keep paying taxes to the IRS, but the IRS doesn't send refund checks to those of you who overpaid intentionally or negligently.

The last government shutdown, in January 2018, lasted only two days and did not affect taxpayers. But the one prior, which happened in 2013 under the Obama administration, went on for 16 days and caused $2.2 billion in delayed refunds to individuals and another $1.5 billion to businesses.

[Chemist45]

Chuck Schumer shut down the government.
If the American people ever notice, they are going to be very upset.

[Oldgringo]

Chuck Schumer shut down the government.
If the American people ever notice, they are going to be very upset.

Nope. Chuck Schumer didn't shut down the government. The people who voted for him and his ilk shut down the government.

[G26ster]

Why is it called a government shutdown, when the government isn't shut down? Could you imagine a headline that said, "GM Shutdown. Only 80% of the employees are working." The first question would be, "Huh?"

[Grundy1133]

like others have said a govt shutdown isn't really a shutdown... If you look at your pay stubs theyre still taking federal income tax out and USPS still runs, so *shrug*. they only shut down PARTS of the govt until they get what they want or a compromise. it's like the govt's way of going on strike basically....

[WhoWouldGuess]

Here are a couple of effects of Trump's shutdown:

E-Verify is shutdown; you can't check the employment eligibility of new hires

About 400,000 mission-critical workers, including many Law Enforcement, Bureau of Prisons, and Border Patrol, have to show up and work without knowing when they'll see a paycheck again.

So, whether you see an effect or not depends on where you stand and what you do.

BTW, I'm told suppressor and NFA purchases are on hold, too, because many at BATFE are furloughed.

[The Marshal]

Here's what I wish the Republicans would do. Unfortunately, true Republicans are vastly outnumbered by the cabal of RINO's, Democrats, Socialists, and Communists in DC, so this will never actually happen. But IF we had a true Republican majority in the senate, I would love to see them announce that they will consider no bills at all until they get a bill from the House that includes full funding for the border wall. In the meantime, all available time will be spent confirming Trump's judicial nominees.

That means no consideration of gun confiscation, confiscatatory tax increases, socialized medicine, or any other crazy priorities from the Communists in the House. The non-essential part of the Federal government (which is really the majority of it, TBH) stays shut down, and we get no new regulations or taxes, but we do get a nice conservative shift in the judiciary. I call that a win.

I second this!!!

[anygunanywhere]

Here are a couple of effects of Trump's shutdown:

E-Verify is shutdown; you can't check the employment eligibility of new hires

About 400,000 mission-critical workers, including many Law Enforcement, Bureau of Prisons, and Border Patrol, have to show up and work without knowing when they'll see a paycheck again.

So, whether you see an effect or not depends on where you stand and what you do.

BTW, I'm told suppressor and NFA purchases are on hold, too, because many at BATFE are furloughed.

Trump didn't shut the government down. He is the executive branch. The money to run the goobermint must originate in the House of Representatives, be approved by the senate and sent to Trump for his approval. Basic government.

Welcome to the forum.

[philip964]

https://www.backpacker.com/news-and-eve ... ks-garbage

The shut down is trashing the national parks that they
May never recover from.

Huh. Don’t they close the parks? I thought that was the problem the parks are closed, people’svacations are ruined.

There must be a hundred articles just like this.

https://www.charlottestories.com/kings- ... -shutdown/

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/envi ... -shutdown/

[WhoWouldGuess]

Anygunanywhere, the House approved a bill, it went to the Senate, who approved it and sent it to the President, who refused to sign it. Whose fault is this?

[srothstein]

Anygunanywhere, the House approved a bill, it went to the Senate, who approved it and sent it to the President, who refused to sign it. Whose fault is this?

When did this happen? Last I heard the house passed a bill that the senate declined to pass. Nothing made it to the president.

But I have to point out that it takes two sides to make any dispute. If one side says here is a bill and we will not put what you want in it, and the other says I will not sign it without what I want in it, then it took two sides to cause the breakdown. In this case, if you agree with the president on the wall, it is the legislator's fault. If you disagree about the wall, it is the president's fault. In my view, it is both sides fault.

[G26ster]

Anygunanywhere, the House approved a bill, it went to the Senate, who approved it and sent it to the President, who refused to sign it. Whose fault is this?

The Senate passed a bill, and later in the month the House passed it's own bill much different than the Senate's. The two bills were never reconcilled by committee, and no bill made it to the President's desk.

Please folks, spare me the tears over the poor unpaid gov't workers. In no so called shutdown has any gov't worker permanently lost any money. They will be paid. I don't recall during my lean years of layoffs, or furloughs, the gov't or anyone else shedding a tear for me.

The President said he was willing to compromise on the 5.6 billion, and the Dems said you get nothing. That's not compromise.

[rotor]

I was in the military when there was a big government shutdown over abortions in the late 70's and we didn't get paid and still went to work. This is not new. It was no big deal in the late 70's and no big deal now. We have too much government as it is and as long as the military gets funded I can't think of a lot that I will miss from the current "crisis". Trump needs to stand his ground no matter what. He was elected to put up a wall and he will. I don't care if trash isn't picked up in national parks.

[ScottDLS]

I was in the military when there was a big government shutdown over abortions in the late 70's and we didn't get paid and still went to work. This is not new. It was no big deal in the late 70's and no big deal now. We have too much government as it is and as long as the military gets funded I can't think of a lot that I will miss from the current "crisis". Trump needs to stand his ground no matter what. He was elected to put up a wall and he will. I don't care if trash isn't picked up in national parks.

Not only would military go to work, they HAVE to go to work. In the late '80s there was one pay period that crossed a budget deadline and delayed us for 2 days or something. Believe me, there was no option of not showing up.

However, in today's situation the Defense appropriation (all $700+ billion of it) for fiscal 2019 was passed last summer. So the Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen and civilian workers for DoD are still getting paid. And so are the DoD contractors. I know, I work for one.