30.07 Language Discussion

[WildBill]

Unfortunately I did not photograph the one at the waiting area....I was anxious to get out unnoticed.

Just curious, were you OC'ing, it wasn't mentioned in your OP?

Not when I entered, but when I took my jacket off in the restaurant, yes.

I am not judging by all means but asking for learning purposes only. If you saw the sign why did you stay? Or did you leave with out eating? If approached by the manager or leo what could have happened?

You have to realize the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. While yes the signs were not obvious, could you have still been in trouble, yea. At the same time, if the manager approached you, the most he can do is ask you to leave, and call the police. If he asks you to leave you have no obligation to stay (even if he calls the police). If the police show up odds are they will speak with you and ask you to leave. if you do without trouble.. there are no issues. You could get arrested for a Class C misdemeanor if you leave when asked, but odds are not.. Now if you don't leave when asked to by LE or the staff then you could/would be hooked up for a Class A misdemeanor.

If you know the business doesn't want people OCing, CCing or both, then just play it safe and don't do so. Splitting hairs over sign verbage, placement, etc can still get you arrested and in court. You may beat the rat, but you wont beat the ride. just play it safe.

Yep, we don't want to beat any rats for staying when they don't have to!

[kg5ie]

Unfortunately I did not photograph the one at the waiting area....I was anxious to get out unnoticed.

Just curious, were you OC'ing, it wasn't mentioned in your OP?

Not when I entered, but when I took my jacket off in the restaurant, yes.

Did you sit at the bar while carrying, regardless if OC or CC, just curious?

We sat in the bar, but not at the bar. I covered back up once I saw the sign. Interesting comment from another post about sitting at the bar being a "no no". Please state statute that says you cannot sit at a bar carrying. The bar sign was blue.

[parabelum]

Unfortunately I did not photograph the one at the waiting area....I was anxious to get out unnoticed.

Just curious, were you OC'ing, it wasn't mentioned in your OP?

Not when I entered, but when I took my jacket off in the restaurant, yes.

Did you sit at the bar while carrying, regardless if OC or CC, just curious?

We sat in the bar, but not at the bar. I covered back up once I saw the sign. Interesting comment from another post about sitting at the bar being a "no no". Please state statute that says you cannot sit at a bar carrying. The bar sign was blue.

I'm glad you covered.

As for statue to cite, I don't need a statue to adhere to common sense.
If its a bar area where some folks will be standing or sitting blitzed, why would I need a statue to tell me that it's probably a bad idea to be there in a first place, especially OC'ing?
51% or not, it's a bad idea. Just my humble opinion of course.

[thetexan]

First, assuming the bar is not a 51% bar inside of the restaurant then the entire inside is a blue area and none is a 51% area. Since the bar is part of the property any 30.06 or .07 sign anywhere on the property will cover the bar area and any other area as to prohibiting you.

In addition, the establishment has the requirement to post .07 signs conspicuously clearly visible to the public at each entrance. But any one of those signs enforces the entire property of the restaurant.

tex