What to Do with Old License

[E10]

Destroy it by

Target practice.

20 shots 3 yards
20 shots 7 yards
10 shots 15 yards

You should have pretty well torn it up by then.

[Oldgringo]

Mine is behind the duck on the shelf in my desk. I just saw it a little earlier today when I was reaching for new hearing aid batteries.

[Rrash]

it is NOT required to destroy your old license, it is NOT required to return it to DPS, there are no Statues that state this anywhere in Texas Law, nor is it in any of the POLICY for the administration of the CHL. all fat chewing aside, when your new license arrives it has a set of dates that it is valid, so until your old license expires you need to keep it, then put it away in a drawer for posterity because its no longer valid it is expired

I believe you are correct, but my new license, like my old one, has only one date and that is the expiration date. So, as my old one doesn't expire for several months, which one do I carry? This is really confusing

Your new license is valid as soon as you receive it. Use that one.

[jmra]

it is NOT required to destroy your old license, it is NOT required to return it to DPS, there are no Statues that state this anywhere in Texas Law, nor is it in any of the POLICY for the administration of the CHL. all fat chewing aside, when your new license arrives it has a set of dates that it is valid, so until your old license expires you need to keep it, then put it away in a drawer for posterity because its no longer valid it is expired

I believe you are correct, but my new license, like my old one, has only one date and that is the expiration date. So, as my old one doesn't expire for several months, which one do I carry? This is really confusing

Your new license is valid as soon as you receive it. Use that one.

Go to the range and see how many holes you can put in your pic on the old one.

[JP171]

it is NOT required to destroy your old license, it is NOT required to return it to DPS, there are no Statues that state this anywhere in Texas Law, nor is it in any of the POLICY for the administration of the CHL. all fat chewing aside, when your new license arrives it has a set of dates that it is valid, so until your old license expires you need to keep it, then put it away in a drawer for posterity because its no longer valid it is expired

I believe you are correct, but my new license, like my old one, has only one date and that is the expiration date. So, as my old one doesn't expire for several months, which one do I carry? This is really confusing

Your new license is valid as soon as you receive it. Use that one.

I reject your hypothesis of it is valid as soon as you receive it, it is against the rules and statue to have 2 valid licenses the old license hasn't expired so therefore it is still valid, the other license is valid for 5 years from the date of the last license expiration, this is clearly defined within the law so until the old license expires use that one, even if you have the new one on you it isn't valid until the old one expires

[jmra]

it is NOT required to destroy your old license, it is NOT required to return it to DPS, there are no Statues that state this anywhere in Texas Law, nor is it in any of the POLICY for the administration of the CHL. all fat chewing aside, when your new license arrives it has a set of dates that it is valid, so until your old license expires you need to keep it, then put it away in a drawer for posterity because its no longer valid it is expired

I believe you are correct, but my new license, like my old one, has only one date and that is the expiration date. So, as my old one doesn't expire for several months, which one do I carry? This is really confusing

Your new license is valid as soon as you receive it. Use that one.

I reject your hypothesis of it is valid as soon as you receive it, it is against the rules and statue to have 2 valid licenses the old license hasn't expired so therefore it is still valid, the other license is valid for 5 years from the date of the last license expiration, this is clearly defined within the law so until the old license expires use that one, even if you have the new one on you it isn't valid until the old one expires

Not doubting you, but can you show me where the law states that the CHL isn't valid until the old one expires? There is no "issue date" on the new one I received. There was no instructions included with my new CHL saying it wasn't valid until my old one expired. I destroyed the old one as soon as I got the new one so I was/am in fact not in possession of two valid CHLs. I think you might be reading something into the code that simply isn't there.

[JP171]

GC §411.183. EXPIRATION. (a) A license issued under this subchapter expires on the first birthday of the license holder occurring after the fourth anniversary of the date of issuance.
(b) A renewed license expires on the license holder's birth date, five years after the date of the expiration of the previous license.

so by reading the way this is written the old license is still valid until it expires, this also leads one to believe that the new license isn't valid until the old one expires.
the not having 2 licenses is covered under duplicate licenses stating that you must return a license that has been modified or duplicated as in if you change your name so on and so forth

[jmra]

GC §411.183. EXPIRATION. (a) A license issued under this subchapter expires on the first birthday of the license holder occurring after the fourth anniversary of the date of issuance.
(b) A renewed license expires on the license holder's birth date, five years after the date of the expiration of the previous license.

so by reading the way this is written the old license is still valid until it expires, this also leads one to believe that the new license isn't valid until the old one expires.
the not having 2 licenses is covered under duplicate licenses stating that you must return a license that has been modified or duplicated as in if you change your name so on and so forth

You lost me with "leads one to believe". If you have to say that then your arguments weakens severely.

[JP171]

GC §411.183. EXPIRATION. (a) A license issued under this subchapter expires on the first birthday of the license holder occurring after the fourth anniversary of the date of issuance.
(b) A renewed license expires on the license holder's birth date, five years after the date of the expiration of the previous license.

so by reading the way this is written the old license is still valid until it expires, this also leads one to believe that the new license isn't valid until the old one expires.
the not having 2 licenses is covered under duplicate licenses stating that you must return a license that has been modified or duplicated as in if you change your name so on and so forth

You lost me with "leads one to believe". If you have to say that then your arguments weakens severely.

ok then let me put it simply, your first license expired on your birthday after the 4th anniversary of having it, be that 4 years or 4 years 11 months and 29 days, so the next and subsequent licenses are good for 5 years from that birthday, not 5 years and 3 months or 5 years and 2 days 5 years period so it is NOT valid prior to the previous license expiring. is that plain enough?

[jmra]

GC §411.183. EXPIRATION. (a) A license issued under this subchapter expires on the first birthday of the license holder occurring after the fourth anniversary of the date of issuance.
(b) A renewed license expires on the license holder's birth date, five years after the date of the expiration of the previous license.

so by reading the way this is written the old license is still valid until it expires, this also leads one to believe that the new license isn't valid until the old one expires.
the not having 2 licenses is covered under duplicate licenses stating that you must return a license that has been modified or duplicated as in if you change your name so on and so forth

You lost me with "leads one to believe". If you have to say that then your arguments weakens severely.

ok then let me put it simply, your first license expired on your birthday after the 4th anniversary of having it, be that 4 years or 4 years 11 months and 29 days, so the next and subsequent licenses are good for 5 years from that birthday, not 5 years and 3 months or 5 years and 2 days 5 years period so it is NOT valid prior to the previous license expiring. is that plain enough?

If your argument was valid and the intent of DPS, then it would only be logical for the CHL to include start and end dates of validity. It does not. The very omission of a "start" date on the CHL defies your interpretation of the code.
"(b) A renewed license expires on the license holder's birth date, five years after the date of the expiration of the previous license."
The quoted section above deals only with the expiration of the renewed license. It has nothing to do with when it goes into effect. Simply put, if the renewed license was not valid the day you received it DPS would have a big sticker on it stating "NOT VALID PRIOR TO _______".

[JP171]

GC §411.183. EXPIRATION. (a) A license issued under this subchapter expires on the first birthday of the license holder occurring after the fourth anniversary of the date of issuance.
(b) A renewed license expires on the license holder's birth date, five years after the date of the expiration of the previous license.

so by reading the way this is written the old license is still valid until it expires, this also leads one to believe that the new license isn't valid until the old one expires.
the not having 2 licenses is covered under duplicate licenses stating that you must return a license that has been modified or duplicated as in if you change your name so on and so forth

You lost me with "leads one to believe". If you have to say that then your arguments weakens severely.

ok then let me put it simply, your first license expired on your birthday after the 4th anniversary of having it, be that 4 years or 4 years 11 months and 29 days, so the next and subsequent licenses are good for 5 years from that birthday, not 5 years and 3 months or 5 years and 2 days 5 years period so it is NOT valid prior to the previous license expiring. is that plain enough?

If your argument was valid and the intent of DPS, then it would only be logical for the CHL to include start and end dates of validity. It does not. The very omission of a "start" date on the CHL defies your interpretation of the code.
"(b) A renewed license expires on the license holder's birth date, five years after the date of the expiration of the previous license."
The quoted section above deals only with the expiration of the renewed license. It has nothing to do with when it goes into effect. Simply put, if the renewed license was not valid the day you received it DPS would have a big sticker on it stating "NOT VALID PRIOR TO _______".

no actually they wouldn't, I guess the 5 years from the expiration of the previous license is missing something for you, it doesn't say anything about from when you receive the license in the mail since the previous license is still in effect until it expires means the 5 years doesn't start until it does expire meaning it is NOT valid. you should know this, obtuse much? but really do as you please, if your caught without your current and valid license I hope it works out for you

[jmra]

GC §411.183. EXPIRATION. (a) A license issued under this subchapter expires on the first birthday of the license holder occurring after the fourth anniversary of the date of issuance.
(b) A renewed license expires on the license holder's birth date, five years after the date of the expiration of the previous license.

so by reading the way this is written the old license is still valid until it expires, this also leads one to believe that the new license isn't valid until the old one expires.
the not having 2 licenses is covered under duplicate licenses stating that you must return a license that has been modified or duplicated as in if you change your name so on and so forth

You lost me with "leads one to believe". If you have to say that then your arguments weakens severely.

ok then let me put it simply, your first license expired on your birthday after the 4th anniversary of having it, be that 4 years or 4 years 11 months and 29 days, so the next and subsequent licenses are good for 5 years from that birthday, not 5 years and 3 months or 5 years and 2 days 5 years period so it is NOT valid prior to the previous license expiring. is that plain enough?

If your argument was valid and the intent of DPS, then it would only be logical for the CHL to include start and end dates of validity. It does not. The very omission of a "start" date on the CHL defies your interpretation of the code.
"(b) A renewed license expires on the license holder's birth date, five years after the date of the expiration of the previous license."
The quoted section above deals only with the expiration of the renewed license. It has nothing to do with when it goes into effect. Simply put, if the renewed license was not valid the day you received it DPS would have a big sticker on it stating "NOT VALID PRIOR TO _______".

no actually they wouldn't, I guess the 5 years from the expiration of the previous license is missing something for you, it doesn't say anything about from when you receive the license in the mail since the previous license is still in effect until it expires means the 5 years doesn't start until it does expire meaning it is NOT valid. you should know this, obtuse much? but really do as you please, if your caught without your current and valid license I hope it works out for you

It appears you have abandoned logical debate so I will wish you good night.